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dim.kar
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Greece
709 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 09:12:27  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους dim.kar  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Kαλημέρα σε όλες και όλους!

Να γράψω εδώ δύο πραγματάκια, αφού το "Προφητείες Αγίων Νο3" έκλεισε (κακώς κατά την γνώμη μου) και να εξηγήσω κάποια πράγματα για την παρέμβαση μου...

Εδώ και πολύ καιρό προσπαθούσα να παρέμβω στο θέμα των "προφητειών" θέλοντας να σας δείξω με ευγενικό τρόπο τον προβληματισμό μου, τα αδιέξοδα στις σκέψεις σας (κατ' εμέ), τις συνέπειες αυτών που γράφατε αλλά: τίποτα!!! Με αγνοούσατε παντελώς και συνεχίζατε να γράφετε τα δικά σας. Από καιρού εις καιρόν σας τσεκάριζα και απτόητοι συνεχίζατε: κατεβατά επί κατεβατών, σελίδες επί σελίδων. Κι όλα να ουρλιάζουν πόνο, θάνατο και καταστροφή... Κι εσείς όχι απλά να χαίρεστε για αυτά (που κατά τη γνώμη σας έρχονται) αλλά να παρακαλάτε σχεδόν να συμβούν αύριο, τώρα...

Σαν άνθρωπος και σαν πατέρας δύο παιδιών με πιάνει φρίκη μπροστά στο μέγεθος του πόνου που σας εμπνέει...

Μέχρι που για κάποιο λόγο ο JbG σας ξυπνάει. Επιτέλους τσιμπάτε μπροστά στον βασιλέα JbG... Κι εκεί αρχίζω κι εγώ, κολλάνε και κάποιοι άλλοι και γίνεται ο χαμός... Γιατί τα κουμπιά σας είναι συγκεκριμένα: μόλις τα πατήσεις, αυτό θα γίνει: θα σκυλιάσετε. Ή θα αδιαφορείτε ή θα γίνετε έξαλλοι...

Σας έγραψα πως το δέντρο κρίνεται απ΄ τους καρπούς του... Σας ανέφερα σαν "καρπό" τον πρώην Μητροπολίτη Αττικής. Πως αν τέτοιοι είναι οι καρποί, το δέντρο θέλει κόψιμο... Κι αντί να μου δείξετε άλλες μορφές του χριστιανισμού και της ορθοδοξίας όπως ας πούμε τον Αλβανίας Αναστάσιο, ποιά ήταν η αντίδραση σας; Επιβεβαιώσατε τον κανόνα: αν λοιπόν τέτοιοι είναι οι καρποί, κόψιμο το δέντρο... Για να 'μαστε ακριβείς: κόψιμο το σάπιο κλαδί, όχι το δέντρο. Γιατί το δέντρο βγάζει και καλούς, γλυκείς καρπούς...

Καλοί μου φίλοι το μεγαλειώδες μήνυμα του χριστιανισμού, δεν είναι οι προφητείες από ανθρωπάκια, δεν είναι οι εκκλησίες, δεν είναι οι τοιχογραφίες, τα "θαύματα", τα εγκλήματα, τα χρυσοποίκιλτα άμφια, η εξουσία, οι λειτουργίες και τα "τυχερά", οι πισωγλέντηδες και τα δισεκατομμύρια για τα "γεράματα", τα μοναστήρια με τα τσιφλίκια τους και τα "συνοδικά μέγαρα" σε δασική έκταση, είναι (μέσα σε άλλα) κι αυτό το εδάφιο που θα πρέπει να μελετούν όλοι οι άνθρωπι, σε όλες τις εποχές, έχοντας το ΣΥΝΕΧΩΣ στο μυαλό, την ψυχή και την καρδιά τους:

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1. Εάν μιλώ τις γλώσσες των ανθρώπων και των αγγέλων, αλλά δεν έχω αγάπη, έγινα χαλκός που δίνει ήχους ή κύμβαλο που βγάζει κρότους.

2. Και αν έχω χάρισμα προφητείας και γνωρίζω όλα τα μυστήρια και όλη τη γνώση και αν έχω όλη τη πίστη, ώστε να μεταθέτω βουνά, αλλά δεν έχω αγάπη, δεν είμαι τίποτε.

3. Και αν μοιράσω σε ελεημοσύνες όλη μου την περιουσία και αν παραδώσω το σώμα μου για να καεί, αλλά δεν έχω αγάπη, καμιά ωφέλεια δεν έχω.

4. Η αγάπη είναι μακρόθυμη, είναι γεμάτη από ευμένεια, η αγάπη δεν είναι ζηλότυπη, η αγάπη δεν καυχιέται, δεν είναι υπερήφανη,

5. δεν κάνει ασχήμιες, δεν ζητά το συμφέρον της, δεν ερεθίζεται, δεν λογαριάζει το κακό,

6. δεν χαίρεται για το κακό, αλλά συγχαίρει στην αλήθεια,

7. όλα τα ανέχεται, όλα τα πιστεύει, ελπίζει για το κάθε τι, υπομένει το κάθε τι.

8. Η αγάπη ποτέ δεν θα πάψει να υπάρχει. Αν είναι προφητείες, θα καταργηθούν. Αν είναι γλώσσες, θα παύσουν. Αν είναι γνώση, θα καταργηθεί.

9. Γιατί μερική γνώση έχουμε και μερική προφητεία.

10. Αλλά όταν έλθει το τέλειο, τότε το μερικό θα καταργηθεί.

Α' ΠΡΟΣ ΚΟΡΙΝΘΙΟΥΣ (Κεφ. ΙΓ')


Εσείς αγάπη έχετε; Οπότε καλοί μου φίλοι, ζημιά μόνο κάνετε... Διαλογιστείτε, προσευχηθείτε, μετανοήστε, κάντε ό,τι θέλετε αλλά προσπαθήστε να ΑΓΑΠΗΣΕΤΕ.

Και πρώτα απ΄ όλα τον εαυτό σας. Γιατί αν μισείτε τον εαυτό σας, πως θα αγαπήσετε τους άλλους...

Συγγνώμη αν σας στεναχώρησα... Πιστεύω πως τελικά καλό σας έκανα...

Δεν θα ξανασχοληθώ με το να σας τσιγκλήσω...

"Μακάριοι οι ειρηνοποιοί"

Η συμβουλή της μέρας: ΛΟΒΟΤΟΜΗ: τα λύνει ΟΛΑ και ...συμφέρει!
Δ.Κ. ή ο άνθρωπος whisky
http://www.msu.gr/chart.asp?Perifereia_ID=9

Peronosporos
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Christmas Island
843 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 09:28:23  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)

Dim.kar ομολογώ ότι με εκπλήσεις (ευχάριστα).....
Εδώ παρουσιάζεις ένα τελείως διαφορετικό πρόσωπο από ότι στο προηγούμενο forum.

Μα καλά τι παίζει???

Προφανώς έκανες πλάκα, αλλά να ξέρεις ότι υπερέβηκες και λίγο τα όρια για αυτό (τουλάχιστον για μένα που μπορώ να μιλάω) εγώ προσωπικά έστειλα εκείνο το καφρο-post.

Τέλος πάντων προβλέπω (τί τις βγάλαμε τις προφητείες αγίων ) ότι οι υπόλοιποι που θα μπούν στο post δεν θα είναι τόσο επιεικείς (αλλά από την άλλη ποιός είπε ότι εγώ είμαι "καλός" χριστιανός).

quote:
Να γράψω εδώ δύο πραγματάκια, αφού το "Προφητείες Αγίων Νο3" έκλεισε (κακώς κατά την γνώμη μου) και να εξηγήσω κάποια πράγματα για την παρέμβαση μου...

όντως κακώς έκλεισε πάνω που ηρεμούσαν τα πράγματα.....
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αλλά να παρακαλάτε σχεδόν να συμβούν αύριο, τώρα...

Μιλώντας πάντα προσωπικά, αν έβλεπες τα post μου θα καταλάβαινες ότι αντιτάχθηκα εξ αρχής στις ημερομηνίες. Για τον πόνο, τον θάνατο και την καταστροφή έτσι λενε οι προφητείες
Είναι σαν μια καλή σκανδαλοθηρική εφημερίδα, αν δεν γράφεις καταστροφολογίες τότε δεν πουλάς φύλλο

Facts: Knowledge is power, Power corrupts.
Conclusion: Study hard, Be evil.Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

stratis79
Μέλος 2ης Βαθμίδας


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Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 09:47:14  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους stratis79  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Dimkar αυτή την ευγένεια μπορούσες να τη δείξεις και στο άλλο τόπικ. Δε μας έκανες κανένα καλό, όπως εσύ το εννοείς. Το να μας αποκαλείς ανώμαλους, αδερφές, να βρίζεις το Χριστό μας και γενικώς να μας εξευτελίζεις, τι σου προσέφερε;

Λες πατέρας 2 παιδιών κτλ κτλ. Τα δικά μας λόγια σε πειράξανε; Η πραγματικότητα δε σε πειράζει; Οι πόλεμοι δε σε πειράζουν; Η ανεργία δε σε πειράζει; Η ακρίβεια δε σε πειράζει; Τα ναρκωτικά δε σε πειράζουν;Το ότι γίναμε μειοψηφία στη χώρα μας και αυτό θα το ζήσουν τα παιδιά σου δε σε πειράζουν; Εμείς είμαστε καταστροφολόγοι; Ο κόσμος μόνος του αυτοκαταστρέφεται.

Αυτά που λέγαμε εμείς δεν μπορούσες να τα δεχθείς γιατί απλά έχεις άλλα πιστεύω. Εκεί έπρεπε να σταματήσεις και να μην εκνευρίζεσαι που δε σου απαντούσε κανείς και να αρχίζεις να ξεφτυλίζεις τον κόσμο. Θα σου άρεσε να πουν στη γυναίκα σου αυτά που είπες στη μαθήτρια; Δε νομίζω αλλά εσύ τα είπες.

Τέλοςπάντων το αποτέλεσμα ήταν εμείς να φύγουμε και να διαλύσετε μια γωνιά όπου αντάμωναν άνθρωποι από πολλά μέρη της Ελλάδος και του κόσμου με κοινές ανησυχίες.

Σε αυτά που γράφεις στο τέλος για το τι είναι χριστιανισμός, είμαι πρόθυμος να το συζητήσουμε με e-mail όπως σου είχα πει και στο Νο3 όπου βέβαια απάντηση δεν έλαβα. Εγώ σε αυτό το ύφος είμαι διατεθιμένος να μιλήσω μαζί σου και από κοντά αν το θέλεις.

Θα περιμένω e-mail

Να είσαι καλάΜετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

GDS1
Πλήρες Μέλος


937 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 09:49:32  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους GDS1  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Θα κάνω copy κάτι που έγραψα αλλού

http://www.esoterica.gr/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6716&whichpage=2&ARCHIVE=

"Θεωρώ άκρως αρρωστημένο την ψύχωση της καταστροφής και συμφωνώ απόλυτα με τον gigeni στο ότι όσοι με πρόνοια θεού γνωρίζουν την ημερομηνία καταστροφής να κάνουν χαρακίρι όταν αποτυχαίνουν.

Θυμάσται το WACO στο Texas που εκεί ο καραγκιόζης εκμεταλεύονταν άτομα με τις ίδιες ιδέες καταστροφής;;;; Η ακόμα οι μαζικές αυτοκτονίες το 2000 από αιρέσεις που καταστροφολογούσαν....!!!!! Όλες αυτές ήταν πάντα βασισμένες στα Ευαγγέλια κάποιω Θρησκειών (δεν θα ασχοληθώ με ποιες)

Δεν θέλω τέτοια πράγματα στο Ελλάδα εδώ είναι Greece ρε, εδώ έχουμε ήλιο, οικογένεια, κολλητούς, ούζο, ξέφρενα πάρτυ, θάλασσες, ΧΙΟΥΜΟΡ, γυναικάρες και αντί να ευχαριστιόμαστε και να στραγγίζουμε την ζωή καθόμαστε και σκεφτόμαστε τον Θάνατο.

ΓΟΥΣΤΑΡΩ ΝΑ ΖΩ και αν αυτό είναι ανήθικό γεια σας άντε και αυτοκτονήστε

και γουστάρω που τους έκανα την χαλάστρα στην Χριστιανική Παρέα του Έβρου και όπου και να πάνε θα τους την κάνω και σε όποιον του λείπει το ΧΙΟΥΜΟΡ ας με πει ανήθικο γουστάρω

και κάτι ακόμα ο ΘΕΟΣ (αν υπάρχει) μας έδωσε ζωή για να ζήσουμε και όχι να πεθάνουμε αυτό είναι που με εκνευρίζει με τους "ΨΕΥΤΟ"ΧΡΙΣΤΙΑΝΟΥΣ που ζούν σκεφτόμενοι τον ΘΑΝΑΤΟ
"

καλά ρε παιδιά ο γκομενιάρης 23.00 έγραφε μυνήματα στο εσωτέρικα τι έγινε;;;; Μάλλον το μωρό ήταν η πανάθα .... αχ ερωτύλη ερωτύλη


Το χρήμα δεν είναι το παν στην ζωή, η αγάπη είναι. Ευτύχως αγαπάω το χρήμαΜετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

VELISSARIOS
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Greece
1030 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 10:15:55  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
ΩΡΑΙΑ ΣΕ ΛΙΓΟ ΟΛΟ ΤΟ FORUM ΘΑ ΓΕΜΙΣΕΙ ΜΕ ΘΕΜΑΤΑ ΠΡΟΦΗΤΕΙΩΝ ΕΙΧΑΜΕ 3 ΕΩΣ ΤΩΡΑ ΤΟ ΕΝΑ ΣΥΝΕΧΕΙΑ ΤΟΥ ΑΛΛΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΤΩΡΑ ΑΝΟΙΞΑΝΕ ΑΛΛΑ 2 ΤΕΛΙΚΑ ΕΧΕΙ ΓΙΝΕΙ ΠΟΛΥ ΤΗΣ ΜΟΔΑΣ ΑΥΤΟ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ.
ΣΥΜΦΩΝΩ ΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΤΟΠΟΘΕΤΗΣΗ ΤΟΥ DIM.KAR ΜΕ ΜΙΑ ΠΑΡΑΤΗΡΗΣΗ ΠΙΣΤΕΥΩ ΣΤΙΣ ΠΡΟΦΗΤΕΙΕΣ ΔΕΝ ΠΙΣΤΕΥΩ ΟΜΟΩΣ ΠΩΣ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ ΝΑ ΑΣΧΟΛΟΥΜΑΣΤΕ ΜΕ ΑΥΤΕΣ ΠΟΣΟ ΜΑΛΛΟΝ ΝΑ ΠΡΟΣΠΑΘΟΥΜΕ ΝΑ ΤΙΣ ΑΝΑΛΥΣΟΥΜΕ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΒΓΑΛΟΥΜΕ ΣΥΜΠΕΡΑΣΜΑ, ΜΟΝΟ ΚΑΚΟ ΚΑΝΕΙ.GDS1 ΕΠΙΣΗΣ ΣΥΜΦΩΝΩ ΜΑΖΙ ΣΟΥ ΕΙΔΙΚΑ ΣΤΟ ΟΥΖΟ!!Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας
Peronosporos
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Christmas Island
843 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 10:35:16  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Κάτω το ούζο, ζήτω το τσίπουρο!!!!
Είναι προφανές ότι εκτελώ εντεταλμένες υπηρεσίες και σκοπός μου είναι να αμαυρώσω την φήμη του ούζου στην Ελλάδα. Για αυτό πάμε άλλη μια φορά, Κάτω το ούζο, ζήτω το τσίπουρο!!!!

Facts: Knowledge is power, Power corrupts.
Conclusion: Study hard, Be evil.Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

VELISSARIOS
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Greece
1030 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 11:44:24  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
ΘΑ ΤΑ ΧΑΛΑΣΟΥΜΕ ΕΔΩ ΤΟ ΟΥΖΟ ΔΕΝ ΣΥΓΚΡΙΝΕΤΑΙ ΜΕ ΤΙΠΟΤΑ ΠΑΡΑ ΜΟΝΟ ΜΕ ΑΛΛΗ ΜΑΡΚΑ ΟΥΖΟΥ.Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας
Peronosporos
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Christmas Island
843 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 11:47:53  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Διάλεξε μέρα, ώρα και μέρος για την μονομαχία. Εγώ θα διαλέξω τα όπλα, μιαρέ υποστηρικτή του ούζου . Πλάκα κάνω "περί ορέξεως ουδείς λόγος" άντε εβίβα, (και στον dim.kar που προτιμά ουίσκι).

Facts: Knowledge is power, Power corrupts.
Conclusion: Study hard, Be evil.Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

VELISSARIOS
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Greece
1030 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 11:57:34  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
ΑΧΑ!ΤΟ ΗΞΕΡΑ ΠΩΣ ΥΠΑΡΧΕΙ ΣΥΝΟΜΩΣΙΑ ΕΝΑΝΤΙΑ ΣΤΟ ΟΥΖΟ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΜΕΖΕΔΕΣ ΤΟΥ.ΤΑ ΣΚΟΤΕΙΝΑ ΣΥΜΦΕΡΟΝΤΑ ΘΕΛΟΥΝ ΤΗΝ ΕΞΟΝΤΩΣΗ ΤΟΥ ΟΥΖΟΥ ΑΛΛΑ ΕΧΟΥΝ ΓΝΩΣΗ ΟΙ ΦΥΛΑΚΕΣ.ΕΜΠΡΟΣ ΛΟΙΠΟΝ ΔΙΑΛΕΞΕ ΩΡΑ ΚΑΙ ΜΕΡΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΕΓΩ ΤΡΟΠΟ ΔΙΑΦΥΓΗΣ.Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας
Nemesi
Μέλος 3ης Βαθμίδας


651 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 12:00:14  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους Nemesi  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:

ΑΧΑ!ΤΟ ΗΞΕΡΑ ΠΩΣ ΥΠΑΡΧΕΙ ΣΥΝΟΜΩΣΙΑ ΕΝΑΝΤΙΑ ΣΤΟ ΟΥΖΟ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΜΕΖΕΔΕΣ ΤΟΥ.ΤΑ ΣΚΟΤΕΙΝΑ ΣΥΜΦΕΡΟΝΤΑ ΘΕΛΟΥΝ ΤΗΝ ΕΞΟΝΤΩΣΗ ΤΟΥ ΟΥΖΟΥ ΑΛΛΑ ΕΧΟΥΝ ΓΝΩΣΗ ΟΙ ΦΥΛΑΚΕΣ.ΕΜΠΡΟΣ ΛΟΙΠΟΝ ΔΙΑΛΕΞΕ ΩΡΑ ΚΑΙ ΜΕΡΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΕΓΩ ΤΡΟΠΟ ΔΙΑΦΥΓΗΣ.


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"Once you have tasted the secrets, you will have a strong desire to understand them"Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

Peronosporos
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Christmas Island
843 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 12:03:23  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Μέρος: μια καλή ταβέρνα
Ώρα: μεσημεράκι Σαββατοκύριακου
Όπλα: Επί του τραπεζιού: ούζο εσύ, τσίπουρο εγώ και πληθώρα μεζέδων.
Αντικειμενικός σκοπός: να γίνει φέσι πρώτα ο αντίπαλος και μετά εσύ, ο χαμένος παραδέχεται την ανωτερώτητα του άλλου ποτού (ανα μπορεί βέβαια στην κατάσταση που θα είναι )
Αντικειμενική δυσκολία: Μένω Θεσ/νίκη, δεν ξέρω ποιος είσαι και που μένεις....

Facts: Knowledge is power, Power corrupts.
Conclusion: Study hard, Be evil.Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

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Πλήρες Μέλος

Greece
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ΓΑΜΩΤΟ ΜΕΝΩ ΑΘΗΝΑ ΛΙΓΟ ΔΥΣΚΟΛΟ ΤΕΛΙΚΑ ΝΑ ΓΙΝΕΙ ΑΥΤΗ Η ΜΟΝΟΜΑΧΙΑ.ΤΗΝ ΤΥΧΗ ΜΟΥ.Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας
dim.kar
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Greece
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Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 12:10:04  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους dim.kar  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Και για να γίνω πιο σαφής (και καθόλου εριστικός)

Χριστιανός (άλλου δόγματος, αλλά δεν είναι αυτό το πρόβλημα) αυτός:


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Φραγκίσκος της Ασσίζης 1181 - 1226
(ο φτωχούλης του θεού)

Ο Φραγκίσκος γεννήθηκε στην Ασσίζη (Ούμπρια) γύρω στο 1181 μ.Χ. Ο πατέρας του, Πέτρος Μπερναντόνε, ήταν ένας ευκατάστατος έμπορος, και ο Φραγκίσκος σχεδίαζε να τον ακολουθήσει στις εμπορικές του συναλλαγές, αν και είχε επίσης όνειρα να γίνει τροβαδούρος ή ιππότης. ΤΟ 1201 συμμετείχε σε μια επίθεση στην Περούτζια, πιάστηκε όμηρος, και παρέμεινε αιχμάλωτος εκεί για ένα χρόνο. Ως αποτέλεσμα της αιχμαλωσίας του και κάποιας σοβαρής ασθένειας άρχισε να δείχνει ενδιαφέρον για τη θρησκεία, αλλά γύρω στο 1205 στρατολογήθηκε σε μια άλλη αποστολή , στην Απουλία. Σε μια στιγμή είδε ένα όνειρο , στο οποίο ο Θεός τον καλούσε στην υπηρεσία Του και γυρνώντας στην Ασσίζη άρχισε να φροντίζει τους ασθενείς. Στα 1206, είδε ένα όραμα στο οποίο ο Χριστός τον καλούσε να επισκευάσει την Εκκλησία Του. Ο Φραγκίσκος το ερμήνευσε αυτό ως εντολή να επισκευάσει τον Ναό του Αγίου Δαμιανού, κοντά στην Ασσίζη. Πήρε την απόφαση να γίνει ερημίτης, και αφοσιώθηκε στην επισκευή και τακτοποίηση του ναού. Ο πατέρας του, θυμωμένος και αμήχανος από τη συμπεριφορά του Φραγκίσκου, τον φυλάκισε και τον οδήγησε μπροστά στον Επίσκοπο ως ανυπάκουο. Ο Φραγκίσκος εγκατέλειψε όλα του τα δικαιώματα και τα περιουσιακά στοιχεία ακόμα και τα ίδια του τα ρούχα.
Δυο χρόνια αργότερα ένιωσε την ανάγκη να κηρύξει το Λόγο του Θεού, και σύντομα συνδέθηκαν μαζί του και άλλοι σύντροφοι. Όταν έγιναν έντεκα στον αριθμό τους έδωσε έναν μικρό Κανονισμό και αργότερα πηγαίνοντας στη Ρώμη έλαβαν έγκριση από τον Πάπα Ιννοκέντιο τον Γ΄ για την Αδελφότητα , την οποία ο Φραγκίσκος ονόμασε « Οι ελάχιστοι μοναχοί» ( The Friars Minors).

Οι μοναχοί επέστρεψαν στην Ασσίζη και εγκαταστάθηκαν σε καλύβες στο Ριβορέτο , κοντά στην Πορτσιούνκολα. Ταξίδεψαν σε όλη την Ιταλία κηρύσσοντας στους ανθρώπους να επιστρέψουν στο δρόμο του Χριστού. Στη ζωή και στο κήρυγμά του, ο Φραγκίσκος, έδινε έμφαση στην απλότητα και στη φτώχεια, βασιζόμενος περισσότερο στην πρόνοια του Θεού παρά στη συσσώρευση εγκόσμιων υλικών αγαθών. Οι αδελφοί εργάζονταν ή ζητιάνευαν για τα προς το ζην και κάθε περίσσευμα το έδιναν στους φτωχούς. Ο Φραγκίσκος χρησιμοποίησε τώρα τα προσόντα του ως τροβαδούρος στο να γράφει προσευχές και ύμνους.

Στα 1212 η Κλάρα Σκίφη, ένα κορίτσι από μια αριστοκρατική οικογένεια της Ασσίζης, εγκατέλειψε το σπίτι της για να ενωθεί με τον Φραγκίσκο. Με τη δική του ενθάρρυνση ίδρυσε μια γυναικεία αδελφότητα στον Άγιο Δαμιανό, τις ‘Φτωχές Γυναίκες’ που αργότερα μετονομάστηκαν σε ‘Φτωχές Κλάρισσες’ . Το 1219 ο Φραγκίσκος ταξίδεψε μαζί με τους Σταυροφόρους και κήρυξε στους αγίους Τόπους φτάνοντας ακόμα μέχρι τον Σουλτάνο της Αιγύπτου.

Ο Φραγκίσκος δεν είχε στο νου του να ιδρύσει ένα «Τάγμα» αλλά με την αύξηση των αδελφών υπήρξε ανάγκη περισσότερης οργάνωσης. Καθώς ένας μεγάλος αριθμός ανθρώπων προσελκύστηκε από το παράδειγμά του και άρχισε να τον ακολουθεί, ο Φραγκίσκος , νιώθοντας ευθύνη για όλους , έπρεπε να βρει μια λύση. Τελικά συνέγραψε ένα πιο λεπτομερή Κανονισμό, τον οποίο διόρθωσαν επιπλέον οι νέοι αρχηγοί των Φραγκισκανών. Παραιτήθηκε από την ηγεσία του Τάγματος και πήγε στα βουνά για να ζήσει με μοναχική προσευχή. Εκεί ήταν που έλαβε τα «Στίγματα» των πληγών του Χριστού. Σε μια στιγμή επέστρεψε για να επισκεφτεί τους Φραγκισκανούς, την Κλάρα και τις αδελφές της , και κάποιοι από τους ακολούθους του παρέμειναν μαζί του. Πέθανε στην Πορτσιούνκολα στις 3 Οκτωβρίου του 1226.

Ο Φραγκίσκος κήρυξε την απλότητα στη ζωή, τη φτώχεια και την ταπεινοφροσύνη. Εργάστηκε για τη φροντίδα των φτωχών , και μια από τις πρώτες του ενέργειες μετά τη μεταστροφή του , ήταν η περιποίηση των λεπρών. Χιλιάδες επηρεάστηκαν από την ειλικρίνεια, την ευσέβεια και τη χαρά του. Σε όλες τις πράξεις του, ο Φραγκίσκος ακολούθησε ολοκληρωτικά και κυριολεκτικά τον δρόμο που έδειξε ο Χριστός στα Ευαγγέλια.

Εορτάζεται στις 4 Οκτωβρίου



(αντιγραφή από το http://www.maronites.gr/franciscod'assizi.htm)

Χριστιανοί κι αυτοί:

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ΙΕΡΑ ΕΞΕΤΑΣΗ

Οι απαρχές του ιστορικού φαινομένου τής Ιεράς Εξετάσεως (Inquisitio sacra) εντοπίζονται από 12ο αιώνα, όταν άρχισαν να πληθαίνουν οι περιπτώσεις αμφισβήτησης, τόσο από μεμονωμένα άτομα όσο και από ομάδες, του επίσημου δόγματος της Εκκλησίας στη Δύση. Ακριβέστερα, το έτος γέννησης της Ιεράς Εξετάσεως εντοπίζεται στα 1184, όταν ο πάπας Λούκιος Β΄ εκδίδει εγκύκλιο, με την οποία επιφορτίζονται οι επίσκοποι να αναθέτουν σε έμπιστους ανθρώπους του ποιμνίου τους την αποστολή να ανακαλύπτουν «αιρετικούς» στις τάξεις του ποιμνίου τους και να τους προσάγουν στα εκκλησιαστικά δικαστήρια. Η αποστολή αυτή θα ανατεθεί αργότερα (το 1227) από τον πάπα Γρηγόριο Θ΄ στα μέλη των μοναχικών ταγμάτων των φραγκισκανών, αλλά ιδιαίτερα, των δομινικανών.

Από το 1252 εισάγεται επίσημα (με παπική βούλα του Ιννοκεντίου Δ΄) η μέθοδος της σωματικής βασάνου από τον ιεροεξεταστή inquisitor για την απόσπαση ομολογίας από τον κατηγορούμενο. Πολύ σύντομα ο κύκλος την υπόπτων θα διευρυνθεί και θα περιλάβει και πρόσωπα που θεωρούνται μάγοι και μάγισσες. Έτσι η πρώτη καταδίκη για μαγεία θα απαγγελθεί το 1264. Σύμφωνα με μετριοπαθείς υπολογισμούς, ο αριθμός των προσώπων που καταδικάστηκαν, σε όλο το διάστημα από το 15ο ως το 18ο αιώνα, στον δια πυράς θάνατο σαν μάγοι (κυρίως γυναίκες) ανέρχεται στις 50 έως 80 χιλιάδες. Μια ιδιαίτερη έξαρση του φαινομένου παρατηρείται στην Ισπανία κατά τους 15ο και 16ο αιώνες, όπου ή Ιερά Εξέτασις, ως κρατικός θεσμός, υπηρέτησε κυρίως τις σκοπιμότητες της κοσμικής εξουσίας.

Η Ιερά Εξέταση αφού εξάντλησε όλη την επιείκειά της, το 1492 με το διάταγμα του διωγμού των αλλοθρήσκων, επινόησε και επέβαλε, για τους εναπομείναντες «ψευτοχριστιανούς ή κρυπτοαιρετικούς» (κυρίως κρυπτοεβραίους-criptojudios), τις διαβαθμίσεις της εξόντωσης. Οι αθεράπευτα αμετανόητοι αιρετικοί, εκείνοι δηλαδή οι ελάχιστοι που τους περίσσευε το κουράγιο και δεν λύγιζαν ούτε με τα πολυώδυνα βασανιστήρια ούτε όταν ο δήμιος έβαζε φωτιά στο φιτίλι, καταδικάζονταν στην «πυρά», πάει να πει ότι καίγονταν ζωντανοί σε αργή καύση. Οι μερικώς έως ολικώς μετανοημένοι, όσοι λύγιζαν σε κάποια φάση των βασανιστηρίων, «αποτάσσοντας» κατά περίπτωση τον Μωϋσή, τον Μωάμεθ ή τον Λούθηρο, «έχαιραν» βελτιωμένου θανάτου. Ο δήμιος τους στραγγάλιζε ακαριαία, και έτσι καιγόταν, καλόμοιροι, νεκροί. Μάλιστα στο βιβλίο «Τα απόκρυφα της ιεράς εξετάσεως» αναφέρονται περιπτώσεις που απέθνησκε ο μελλοθάνατος πολλές μέρες πριν «Την πράξη της πίστεως» και τότε μην μπορώντας να έχουν αυτό καθ' αυτό το σώμα του αιρετικού έφτιαχναν ομοιώματα (κούκλες) τα οποία έριχναν στην πυρά αντί αυτών.

Μιλάμε για «δημόσιες τελετές καύσης», τις λεγόμενες πράξεις πίστης (auto da fe). Οι υπόλοιποι παντός είδους ύποπτοι για αίρεση (πολύ έως λίγο ύποπτοι), όσοι, δηλαδή η πλειονότητα, «μετανοούσαν αυτοβούλως», είτε κατά τη διάρκεια της μυστικής και σαδιστικής ακροαματικής διαδικασίας, είτε κατά την πολύμηνη πλήρη απομόνωσή τους στις φυλακές, αν δεν καταδικάζονταν σε καταναγκαστική κωπηλασία, στις βασιλικές γαλέρες της «ανίκητης αρμάδας», υποχρεώνονταν «να ενδύονται εις το διηνεκές χιτώνιο μολυβδόχρουν ή πορτοκαλόχρουν με ένα κόκκινο σταυρό χαραγμένο χιαστί στο ύψος του στήθους», στη θέα του οποίου εξαφανίζονταν ως διά μαγείας άπαντες οι λοιποί συνάνθρωποι, κατά πως συνέβαινε όταν ακουγόταν και το καμπανάκι των (πραγματικών) λεπρών. Εξυπακούεται ότι τα «μιάσματα» αυτά εφ' όρου ζωής υφίστατο απερίγραπτη κοινωνική απομόνωση και οικονομική εξαθλίωση, δημεύονταν οι περιουσίες τους και κανείς δεν τους έδινε δουλειά, διότι οιαδήποτε εκδήλωση ανθρωπιάς και αλληλεγγύης απέναντι τους επέφερε εξ ορισμού τις υποψίες της Ιεράς Εξετάσεως. Το βασανιστήριο της λιμοκτονίας και του ζωντανού-νεκρού το είχαν επιλέξει, αυτοβούλως, οι ίδιοι. Ας πρόσεχαν! Η Ιερά Εξέταση το είχε καταστήσει σαφές, δεν υπήρχε διέξοδος σωτηρίας για κανέναν αλλόθρησκο. «Μηχανισμός τρόμου και φρίκης», λοιπόν, η Ιερά Εξέταση όπως λένε οι ειδικευμένοι ιστορικοί, άποψη που δικαιώνεται γλαφυρά και από την παροιμία που αναφέραμε

Ο δημόσιος και διά της καύσης αφανισμός του αιρετικού προϋπέθετε μια πολύπλοκη, βασανιστικά χρονοβόρα διαδικασία ανακάλυψης, καταγγελίας, φυλάκισης, καταδίκης και τέλος, βασανισμού των αλλοθρήσκων. Αυτήν ακριβώς την διαδικασία ο ιστορικός Μπ. Μπενασάρε (Bennassare) αποκάλεσε παιδαγωγία του τρόμου. Ο τρόμος ήταν προϊόν της άκρας μυστικότητας με την οποία διενεργούνταν ή όλη διαδικασία. Το ιεροδικείο (Santo Officio) το ανώτατο δικαστήριο της Ιεράς Εξετάσεως, (υπήρχαν και άλλα δύο μικρότερης όμως δικαιοδοσίας, το Τοπικό και των Ανακτόρων), εξασφάλιζε την ανωνυμία του ενάγοντος (μυστικός καταδότης ή ανώνυμος συνεργάτης - πληροφοριοδότης, γι' αυτό «δωσίλογος»), ο οποίος συνήθως αράδιαζε ασύστολα ψέματα και εκτόξευε ασύστατες κατηγορίες, σε μια απέλπιδα προσπάθεια να αμειφθεί με το μπόνους του «υπεράνω υποψίας», προνόμιο όμως μόνο του Πάπα και του Βασιλιά. Έτσι ανά πάσα στιγμή πάραυτα κρινόταν ως «ύποπτος ενοχής» όποιος παραβίαζε τους όρους του κανονισμού της πίστης.

Για το Ιεροδικείο αξία είχε η κατηγορία καθ' εαυτή και όχι η εγκυρότητά της. Ο κατηγορούμενος από την πλευρά του αγνοούσε παντελώς το περιεχόμενο της κατηγορίας και καλούνταν να απολογηθεί στα τυφλά. Και επειδή δεν υπήρχε περίπτωση να αθωωθεί, κατέθετε, συνήθως κατά φαντασία, πταίσματα που δεν είχε διαπράξει, για να ελαφρύνει την θέση του. Η Ιερά Εξέταση δεν λάθευε ποτέ, εφόσον οι στάχτες του, ενδεχομένως αθώου, θύματος, καθαγιάζονταν. Έπειτα ο αιρετικός φυλακιζόταν όχι στην δημόσια, αλλά σε ειδική φυλακή που ονομαζόταν μυστική, διότι κανείς θνητός δεν ήξερε μετά βεβαιότητας τι διαμειβόταν εκεί μέσα. Ο κατηγορούμενος βρισκόταν σε πλήρη και διαρκή απομόνωση, αλλά κάτω από ανθρώπινες συνθήκες, διότι η Εκκλησία είναι εύσπλαχνη. Τώρα βέβαια εκεί μέσα πόσοι ακριβώς τρελάθηκαν, ψάχνουν ακόμη να το μάθουν οι ιστορικοί.

Μετά άρχιζε το δικαστικό μέρος. Το περιβόητο Εγκόλπιο του καλού Ιεροεξεταστή όριζε επακριβώς πως θα μιλούσε ο δικαστής (με βαρύ αυστηρό, αργό τόνο), που θα καθόταν (σε υψηλό, μεγαλειώδες βήμα), πως θα κοίταγε τον κατηγορούμενο (βλέμμα απλανές και αυστηρό). Το Εγκόλπιο καθιστούσε απολύτως σαφές ότι «αποκλειόταν η κατ' αντιπαράθεση εξέταση των μαρτύρων, διότι όταν υπάρχει αντιπαράθεση δεν υπάρχει μυστικότητα και όταν δεν υπάρχει μυστικότητα δεν προκαλείται τρόμος και όταν δεν προκαλείται τρόμος δεν παραδειγματίζεται αποτελεσματικά ο λαός»! Αν και κατά την δίκη με συνήγορο της αρεσκείας του Ιεροδικείου δεν απεσπάτο η ομολογία, τότε ο ιεροεξεταστής έδινε εντολή να εισέλθει ο δήμιος.

ΠΗΓΗ: Εφημ. «Ελευθεροτυπία», 1 Φεβρ. 2001, περ. «Ιστορικά»


Γιατί; Γιατί είμαστε όλοι ΑΝΘΡΩΠΟΙ, ικανοί για το καλύτερο και το χειρότερο, το πιο μεγαλειώδες και πιο ποταπό...

Η συμβουλή της μέρας: ΛΟΒΟΤΟΜΗ: τα λύνει ΟΛΑ και ...συμφέρει!
Δ.Κ. ή ο άνθρωπος whisky
http://www.msu.gr/chart.asp?Perifereia_ID=9

Edited by - dim.kar on 03/11/2005 13:11:53Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

Peronosporos
Πλήρες Μέλος

Christmas Island
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Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 12:17:23  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Φραγκίσκος της Ασσίζης 1181 - 1226 ναι είναι από τις πιο λαμπρές μορφές του καθολικισμού και του αποδίδονται και θαύματα (και ένα τραγούδι από τον Μαχαιρίτσα )
Φωτισμένοι άνθρωποι υπάρχουν παντού το ότι μας διαχωρίζει το δόγμα είναι το προβλημά μας (ή μήπως ο κάλος στον εγκέφαλό μας)...

Facts: Knowledge is power, Power corrupts.
Conclusion: Study hard, Be evil.Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

VELISSARIOS
Πλήρες Μέλος

Greece
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Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 13:12:23  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
ΜΑΛΛΟΝ Ο ΚΑΛΟΣ ΦΙΛΕ ΜΟΥ.ΓΙΑΥΤΟ ΛΕΩ ΑΣ ΠΙΟΥΜΕ ΕΝΑ ΟΥΖΑΚΙ ΚΑΙ ΣΤΟ 4 ΚΑΡΑΦΑΚΙ ΘΑ ΕΙΜΑΣΤΕ ΟΛΟΙ ΜΑΣ ΜΙΑ ΧΑΡΑ.Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας
dim.kar
Μέλος 3ης Βαθμίδας

Greece
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Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 13:18:05  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους dim.kar  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:

(και στον dim.kar που προτιμά ουίσκι).

Δεν θα το πιστέψετε, αλλά δεν πίνω σχεδόν καθόλου, και ΠΟΤΕ ουίσκυ. Το δε "άνθρωπος whisky" είναι λογοπάιγνιο με το όνομα και το επίθετο μου:

Tουτέστιν: Δημήτρης (Jim Beam)
Kαρα (Black @ White)
-γιάννης (Johnie Walker)

Το ονοματεπώνυμο μου περιλαμβάνει δηλαδή τρεις μάρκες whisky, εξ ου και ο άνθρωπος whisky!!!

Τέλος πάντων εγώ προτιμώ ρακές με κρητικούς μεζέδες!!!


Η συμβουλή της μέρας: ΛΟΒΟΤΟΜΗ: τα λύνει ΟΛΑ και ...συμφέρει!
Δ.Κ. ή ο άνθρωπος whisky
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Peronosporos
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Christmas Island
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Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 13:25:39  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Όσον αφορά το κυνήγι των μαγισσών, της ιεράς εξέτασης, πιστεύω ότι έγινε καθαρά για να γίνει "εκκαθάριση" της δομής της εξουσίας στην εκκλησία και στην "απομάκρυνση" επιφανών ανθρώπων που δεν μπορούσαν να τους χτυπήσουν αλλιώς. Κάτι που μου ήρθε στο μυαλό είναι ο συσχετισμός της καύσης ανθρώπων της ιεράς εξέτασης, με την ανθρωποθυσία με καύση (Wicker Man) που επέβαλαν οι δρουίδες στην προ της ελεύσεως του χριστιανισμού εποχή...
Οι εποχές αλλάζουν οι άνθρωποι μένουν ίδιοι...

Facts: Knowledge is power, Power corrupts.
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Greece
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Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 13:53:08  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους jonniebegood  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:

dim.kar

Μέχρι που για κάποιο λόγο ο JbG σας ξυπνάει. Επιτέλους τσιμπάτε μπροστά στον βασιλέα JbG...


συμφωνω οτι τσιμπησαν (και ηταν αναμενομενο) αλλα δεν νομιζω οτι ξυπνησαν (και ηταν επισης αναμενομενο)


quote:

Κι εκεί αρχίζω κι εγώ, κολλάνε και κάποιοι άλλοι και γίνεται ο χαμός... Γιατί τα κουμπιά σας είναι συγκεκριμένα: μόλις τα πατήσεις, αυτό θα γίνει: θα σκυλιάσετε. Ή θα αδιαφορείτε ή θα γίνετε έξαλλοι...


συνηθως, εξαλλοι!


quote:

1. Εάν μιλώ τις γλώσσες των ανθρώπων και των αγγέλων, αλλά δεν έχω αγάπη, έγινα χαλκός που δίνει ήχους ή κύμβαλο που βγάζει κρότους.

2. Και αν έχω χάρισμα προφητείας και γνωρίζω όλα τα μυστήρια και όλη τη γνώση και αν έχω όλη τη πίστη, ώστε να μεταθέτω βουνά, αλλά δεν έχω αγάπη, δεν είμαι τίποτε.

3. Και αν μοιράσω σε ελεημοσύνες όλη μου την περιουσία και αν παραδώσω το σώμα μου για να καεί, αλλά δεν έχω αγάπη, καμιά ωφέλεια δεν έχω.

4. Η αγάπη είναι μακρόθυμη, είναι γεμάτη από ευμένεια, η αγάπη δεν είναι ζηλότυπη, η αγάπη δεν καυχιέται, δεν είναι υπερήφανη,

5. δεν κάνει ασχήμιες, δεν ζητά το συμφέρον της, δεν ερεθίζεται, δεν λογαριάζει το κακό,

6. δεν χαίρεται για το κακό, αλλά συγχαίρει στην αλήθεια,

7. όλα τα ανέχεται, όλα τα πιστεύει, ελπίζει για το κάθε τι, υπομένει το κάθε τι.

8. Η αγάπη ποτέ δεν θα πάψει να υπάρχει. Αν είναι προφητείες, θα καταργηθούν. Αν είναι γλώσσες, θα παύσουν. Αν είναι γνώση, θα καταργηθεί.

9. Γιατί μερική γνώση έχουμε και μερική προφητεία.

10. Αλλά όταν έλθει το τέλειο, τότε το μερικό θα καταργηθεί.

Α' ΠΡΟΣ ΚΟΡΙΝΘΙΟΥΣ (Κεφ. ΙΓ')


ολα τα λεφτα!!!


quote:

Συγγνώμη αν σας στεναχώρησα... Πιστεύω πως τελικά καλό σας έκανα...



εσυ ξερεις τι εκανες, και τοριξες και στο γυαλο - ευχης εργον θα ηταν να καταλαβαιναν και αλλοι τι παιχτηκε και γιατι...

quote:

Δεν θα ξανασχοληθώ με το να σας τσιγκλήσω...



εγω λεω να σας ξανατσιγκλησω λιγουλακι...


απαλα!

με Αγαπη!

Βασιλευς Ιωαννης ο κάλος ο Πρωτος

.

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Greece
4382 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 13:56:23  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους jonniebegood  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:

VELISSARIOS

ΩΡΑΙΑ ΣΕ ΛΙΓΟ ΟΛΟ ΤΟ FORUM ΘΑ ΓΕΜΙΣΕΙ ΜΕ ΘΕΜΑΤΑ ΠΡΟΦΗΤΕΙΩΝ ΕΙΧΑΜΕ 3 ΕΩΣ ΤΩΡΑ ΤΟ ΕΝΑ ΣΥΝΕΧΕΙΑ ΤΟΥ ΑΛΛΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΤΩΡΑ ΑΝΟΙΞΑΝΕ ΑΛΛΑ 2 ΤΕΛΙΚΑ ΕΧΕΙ ΓΙΝΕΙ ΠΟΛΥ ΤΗΣ ΜΟΔΑΣ ΑΥΤΟ ΤΟ ΘΕΜΑ.


λειπει ακομη ενα τοπικ: οι προφητειες για την ελευση του Βασιλεως Ιωαννη του Κάλου του Πρωτου!


παρακαλω, εξειδικευστε λιγο το θεμα, να φτιαξω και το βασιλικο μου ιματζ!


.

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Greece
4382 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 14:11:06  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους jonniebegood  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:

GDS1

"Θεωρώ άκρως αρρωστημένο την ψύχωση της καταστροφής και συμφωνώ απόλυτα με τον gigeni στο ότι όσοι με πρόνοια θεού γνωρίζουν την ημερομηνία καταστροφής να κάνουν χαρακίρι όταν αποτυχαίνουν.


αν εχουνε λιγο φιλοτιμο, ετσι ακριβως πρεπει να κανουν - οι γιαπωνεζοι χαρακιριαζονται αμα τους πεις οτι το σουσι μυριζε ψαριλα, και οι προφητες των καταστροφων απλα μεταθετουν την ημερομηνια...

quote:

Θυμάσται το WACO στο Texas που εκεί ο καραγκιόζης εκμεταλεύονταν άτομα με τις ίδιες ιδέες καταστροφής;;;; Η ακόμα οι μαζικές αυτοκτονίες το 2000 από αιρέσεις που καταστροφολογούσαν....!!!!! Όλες αυτές ήταν πάντα βασισμένες στα Ευαγγέλια κάποιω Θρησκειών (δεν θα ασχοληθώ με ποιες)


ταπα οταν ζητησαν ωμη την αληθεια και με ειπαν υπερβολικο.

quote:

Δεν θέλω τέτοια πράγματα στο Ελλάδα εδώ είναι Greece ρε, εδώ έχουμε ήλιο, οικογένεια, κολλητούς, ούζο, ξέφρενα πάρτυ, θάλασσες, ΧΙΟΥΜΟΡ, γυναικάρες


οου γιες μπρο!

γουη χαβ!

quote:

ΓΟΥΣΤΑΡΩ ΝΑ ΖΩ



θα το ανακηρυξω Εθνικο Συνθημα της εκστρατειας μου ως βασιλεα!!!

(διαλεξε υπουργειο )


quote:

και γουστάρω που τους έκανα την χαλάστρα στην Χριστιανική Παρέα του Έβρου και όπου και να πάνε θα τους την κάνω και σε όποιον του λείπει το ΧΙΟΥΜΟΡ ας με πει ανήθικο γουστάρω


εγω παλι μπηκα με καλους σκοπους, το εννοω, αλλα παρεξηγηθηκα οπως συνηθως.

ειπα μπας και ξυπνουσαν αν τους εκανα να γελασουν κανοντας τον καραγκιοζη-καθρεπτη, αλλα δεν ειδα φως.


οποτε λεω που και που να τους κερναω λιγη ωμη αληθεια (σουσι στα ελληνικα)...

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Bermuda
630 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 15:06:13  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους 22  Στείλτε ένα ICQ Μήνυμα στο Μέλος 22  Στείλτε ένα Yahoo! Μήνυμα στο Μέλος 22  Στείλτε ένα instant message στο Μέλος 22  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
μεγαλειώτατε βασιλέα των κάλων (στον εγκέφαλο!),θα σε παραδεχτώ αν μπορέσεις να εντοπίσεις σε ποιό άλλο φόρουμ ανοίξαμε επίσης θέμα.Αν δεν τα καταφέρεις να μας εντοπίσεις και να μας ξεμπροστιάσεις τότε θα είσαι βασιλιάς όχι του κάλου αλλά του κ΄λου.Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας
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Bermuda
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Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 15:18:50  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους 22  Στείλτε ένα ICQ Μήνυμα στο Μέλος 22  Στείλτε ένα Yahoo! Μήνυμα στο Μέλος 22  Στείλτε ένα instant message στο Μέλος 22  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Αν το βρεις κερδίζεις ένα ταξίδι του μέλιτοςΜετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας
dim.kar
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Greece
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Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 15:28:15  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους dim.kar  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Αγαπητέ 22 είσαι άδικος:

Εμείς γράφουμε πήζωντας στην Αθήνα, εσύ άνετος με τα πόδια στην λιμνοθάλασσα στις Βερμούδες... Τι σόι χριστιανός είσαι εσύ; Απαιτώ την διπλανή ξαπλώστρα!!!

Η συμβουλή της μέρας: ΛΟΒΟΤΟΜΗ: τα λύνει ΟΛΑ και ...συμφέρει!
Δ.Κ. ή ο άνθρωπος whisky
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GDS1
Πλήρες Μέλος


937 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 15:47:28  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους GDS1  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
22
"μεγαλειώτατε βασιλέα των κάλων (στον εγκέφαλο!),θα σε παραδεχτώ αν μπορέσεις να εντοπίσεις σε ποιό άλλο φόρουμ ανοίξαμε επίσης θέμα."

Στο εσωτέρικα και το άνοιξε ο menas που παρεπιμπτόντως νόμιζω ότι κάνει και μάθημα τρόπων στους Χριστιανούς .... για διάβασε τον ίσως μάθεις κάτι....α ξέχασα και του άλλους που διαβάζατε

Και που είστε το θέμα στην Ορθόδοξη Παρέα ΄Εβρου ΚΛΕΙΔΩΘΗΚΕ από τον ADMIN για να δεις πόσο με Πρόνοια Θεού είναι το ΘΕΜΑ ΠΟΥ ΑΣΧΟΛΕΙΣΤΕ......

JBG
"(διαλεξε υπουργειο )"

Θέλει και ερώτημα το ΥΠΕΧΩΔΕ θέλω δες την υπογραφή μου και θα με καταλάβεις.


Το χρήμα δεν είναι το παν στην ζωή, η αγάπη είναι. Ευτύχως αγαπάω το χρήμαΜετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

WWalker
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Greece
1819 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 17:10:58  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους WWalker  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:
Και που είστε το θέμα στην Ορθόδοξη Παρέα ΄Εβρου ΚΛΕΙΔΩΘΗΚΕ από τον ADMIN για να δεις πόσο με Πρόνοια Θεού είναι το ΘΕΜΑ ΠΟΥ ΑΣΧΟΛΕΙΣΤΕ......

Αν δεν ξέρεις, μην μιλάς.
Το θέμα στο athos.alexsoft.gr κλειδώθηκε μετά από παράκλησή μου προς τον admin, τον οποίο και ειδοποίησα για τους σκοπούς που είχες όταν απαντούσες.
Τον ειδοποίησα πλήρως για το υπόβαθρό σου, του Αετού, καθώς και για την διαμάχη που λίγο έλειψε να μεταφερθεί και εκεί, χάρη στις προσπάθειές σου.
Το κλείδωσε σκόπιμα ακριβώς για αυτό τον λόγο.

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Greece
1819 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 17:20:36  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους WWalker  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:
22
"μεγαλειώτατε βασιλέα των κάλων (στον εγκέφαλο!),θα σε παραδεχτώ αν μπορέσεις να εντοπίσεις σε ποιό άλλο φόρουμ ανοίξαμε επίσης θέμα."

Στο εσωτέρικα και το άνοιξε ο menas που παρεπιμπτόντως νόμιζω ότι κάνει και μάθημα τρόπων στους Χριστιανούς .... για διάβασε τον ίσως μάθεις κάτι....α ξέχασα και του άλλους που διαβάζατε


Όχι, όχι δεν το βρήκες! Ψάξε καλύτερα!

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GDS1
Πλήρες Μέλος


937 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 17:35:40  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους GDS1  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
wwalker
"Τον ειδοποίησα πλήρως για το υπόβαθρό σου, του Αετού, καθώς και για την διαμάχη που λίγο έλειψε να μεταφερθεί και εκεί, χάρη στις προσπάθειές σου."

ΟΧΙ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΜΑΙ ΡΟΥΦΙΑΝΟΣ!!! ΑΠΛΑ ΜΟΥ ΑΡΕΣΕΙ ΝΑ ΚΑΡΦΩΝΩ

χα χα χα

wwalker
"τον οποίο και ειδοποίησα για τους σκοπούς που είχες όταν απαντούσες.
"

Οφείλω να σου πω ότι δεν έχεις την παραμικρή ιδέα για τις προθέσεις μου. Μόνο υποθέσεις έχεις.

wwalker
"Το κλείδωσε σκόπιμα ακριβώς για αυτό τον λόγο"

ο admin μπορούσε να με βγάλει εκτός με το να κάνει ban την IP address για αυτό άσε τα κουφά

wwalker
"Τον ειδοποίησα πλήρως για το υπόβαθρό σου"

Τώρα όσο για το τι πιστεύεις για το υποβαθρό ποσός με ενδιαφέρει μια και πιστεύω πως θα ήταν υποτιμητικό για εμένα να με απασχολήσει η άποψη που έχουν για εμένα οι τυφλοπόντικες...

Σκάψε WWALKER για να σωθείς από την συντέλεια Σκάψε


Το χρήμα δεν είναι το παν στην ζωή, η αγάπη είναι. Ευτύχως αγαπάω το χρήμα

Edited by - GDS1 on 03/11/2005 17:57:59Μετάβαση στην Κορυφή της Σελίδας

WWalker
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Greece
1819 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 20:03:42  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους WWalker  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
quote:

wwalker
"Το κλείδωσε σκόπιμα ακριβώς για αυτό τον λόγο"

ο admin μπορούσε να με βγάλει εκτός με το να κάνει ban την IP address για αυτό άσε τα κουφά


Σου λέω τι πραγματικά έγινε, και εσύ λες τα δικά σου.
Αν θέλεις να με πιστέψεις, κάνε το. Αν δεν θέλεις, δικό σου το πρόβλημα.
Ότι σου λέω σου λέω εκ των έσω του συγκεκριμένου forum, όχι αυθαίρετα.

quote:

ΟΧΙ ΔΕΝ ΕΙΜΑΙ ΡΟΥΦΙΑΝΟΣ!!! ΑΠΛΑ ΜΟΥ ΑΡΕΣΕΙ ΝΑ ΚΑΡΦΩΝΩ

χα χα χα

Οφείλω να σου πω ότι δεν έχεις την παραμικρή ιδέα για τις προθέσεις μου. Μόνο υποθέσεις έχεις.

O admin μπορούσε να με βγάλει εκτός με το να κάνει ban την IP address για αυτό άσε τα κουφά

Τώρα όσο για το τι πιστεύεις για το υποβαθρό ποσός με ενδιαφέρει μια και πιστεύω πως θα ήταν υποτιμητικό για εμένα να με απασχολήσει η άποψη που έχουν για εμένα οι τυφλοπόντικες...

Σκάψε WWALKER για να σωθείς από την συντέλεια Σκάψε


Βασικά, έχω αρχίσει να σε θαυμάζω.
Γνωρίζεις πως μιλάς με Μηχανικό Η/Υ, καθώς και το ότι ο συγκεκριμένος άνθρωπος γνωρίζει το IP σου κανονικά και με τον νόμο, καθ'ότι έκανες register σε forum στο οποίο έχει βάσεις.
Όχι δεν εννοώ πως έχω σκοπό να σου κάνω κακό, ούτε θέλω να σε απειλήσω, γιατί πρώτον δεν έχω κάποιο πρόβλημα μαζί σου, και δεύτερον δεν με συμφέρει να κάνω κάτι τέτοιο.

Αλλά λίγο τακτ βρε παιδί μου δεν βλάπτει!

Γι' αυτό σου λέω: ηρέμησε λίγο GDS1, δεν είμαι εγώ ο εχθρός σου, ούτε θέλω το κακό σου.
Εκτός αυτού, έχουμε αποδείξει στο παρελθόν και οι δυο μας πως μπορούμε να τα πάμε καλά μεταξύ μας.
Σκέψου λογικά λοιπόν.

Ολάκερη σωβρακοσυζήτηση κάναμε together, τώρα θα τα χαλάσουμε;;;

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There are 10 types of people, those who know binary and those who don't.

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WWalker
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Greece
1819 Μηνύματα
Απεστάλη: 03/11/2005, 20:46:05  Εμφάνιση Προφίλ  Επισκεφθείτε την Προσωπική Σελίδα του Μέλους WWalker  Απάντηση με Παραπομπή (Quote)
Άντε, ώρα να σας το καταστρέψω, και όχι τίποτα άλλο, αλλά θα είμαι "ΕΝΤΟΣ ΘΕΜΑΤΟΣ".

I. Brother John of the Cleft Rock (14th century)

* "Towards the end of the world, tyrants and hostile mobs will rob the Church and the clergy of all their possessions and will afflict and martyr them. Those who heap the most abuse upon them will be held in high esteem."
* "At that time, the Pope with his cardinals will have to flee Rome in tragic circumstances to a place where they will be unknown. The Pope will die a cruel death in his exile. The sufferings of the Church will be much greater than at any previous time in her history. But God will raise a holy Pope, and the Angels will rejoice. Enlightened by God, this man will rebuild almost the whole world through his holiness. He will lead everyone to the true Faith. Everywhere, the fear of God, virtue, and good morals will prevail. He will lead all erring sheep back to the fold, and there shall be one faith, one law, one rule of life, and one baptism on earth. All men will love each other and do good, and all quarrels and wars will cease." (Yves Dupont, Catholic Prophecy,Tan Books and Publishers, 1973).

II. Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser (17th century, Germany)

* "During this period, many men will abuse the freedom of conscience conceded to them. It is of such men that Jude, the Apostle, spoke when he said: 'These men blaspheme- whatever they do not understand; and they corrupt whatever they know naturally as irrational animals do. . . They feast together without restraint, feeding themselves, grumbling murmurers, walking according to their lusts; their mouth speaketh proud things, they admire people for the sake of gain; they bring about division, sensual men, having not the spirit.'"
* "During this unhappy period, there will be laxity in divine and human precepts. Discipline will suffer. The Holy Canons will be completely disregarded, and the Clergy will not respect the laws of the Church. Everyone will be carried away and led to believe and to do what he fancies, according to the manner of the flesh."
* "They will ridicule Christian simplicity; they will call it folly and nonsense, but they will have the highest regard for advanced knowledge, and for the skill by which the axioms of the law, the precepts of morality, the Holy Canons and religious dogmas are clouded by senseless questions and elaborate arguments. As a result, no principle at all, however holy, authentic, ancient, and certain it may be, will remain free of censure, criticism, false interpretations, modification and delimitation by man."
* These are evil times, a century full of dangers and calamities. Heresy is everywhere, and the followers of heresy are in power almost everywhere. Bishops, prelates, and priests say that they are doing their duty, that they are vigilant, and that they live as befits their state in life. In like manner, therefore, they all seek excuses. But God will permit a great evil against His Church: Heretics and tyrants will come suddenly and unexpectedly; they will break into the Church while bishops, prelates, and priests are asleep. They will enter Italy and lay Rome waste; they will burn down the churches and destroy everything."(Yves Dupont, Catholic Prophecy,Tan Books and Publishers, 1973).

III. Fr. Nectou, S.J. (18th century)

* "The confusion will be so general that men will not be able to think aright, as if God had withheld His Providence from mankind, and that, during the worst crisis, the best that can be done would be to remain where God has placed us, and persevere in fervent prayers....At that time there will be such a terrible crisis that people will believe that the end of the world has come. Blood will flow in many large cities. The very elements will be convulsed. It will be like a little General Judgement."
* "A great multitude of people will lose their lives in those calamitous times, but the wicked will not prevail. They will indeed attempt to destroy the whole Church, but not enough time will be allowed them, because the frightful crisis will be of short duration. When all is considered lost, all will be found safe. This disaster will come to pass shortly after the power of England begins to wane. This will be the sign. As when the fig tree begins to sprout and produce leaves, it is a sure sign that summer is near. England in her turn will experience a more frightful revolution than that of France. It will continue long enough for France to recover her strength; then she will help England to restore peace and order."
* "During this revolution, which will very likely be general and not confined to France. Paris will be destroyed so completely that twenty years afterwards fathers walking over its ruins with their children will be asked by them what kind of place that was; to whom they will answer: 'My child, this was a great city which God has destroyed on account of her crimes.'" (Yves Dupont, Catholic Prophecy,Tan Books and Publishers, 1973).

IV. Blessed Anna-Maria Taigi (19th century, Italy)

* Popes and cardinals have referred to this holy married woman as one of the greatest saints of all time. She was praised by Pope Benedict XV in her beatification on May 20, 1920 as being an exemplary wife and mother amid poor and trying circumstances. She was frequently in ecstasy, worked miracles of healing, read hearts, foretold deaths, and saw visions on the coming of future events. She foretold the first two world wars of this century. Eighteen years after her death, her body remained fresh and in a state of perfect preservation as if it had been just buried the day before. The following is her prophecy on the three days of darkness.
* "God will send two punishments: one will be in the form of wars, revolutions and other evils; it shall originate on earth. The other will be sent from Heaven. There shall come over the whole earth an intense darkness lasting three days and three nights. Nothing can be seen, and the air will be laden with pestilence which will claim mainly, but not only, the enemies of religion. It will be impossible to use any man-made lighting during this darkness, except blessed candles. He, who out of curiosity, opens his window to look out, or leaves his home, will fall dead on the spot. During these three days, people should remain in their homes, pray the Rosary and beg God for mercy."
* "All the enemies of the Church, whether known or unknown, will perish over the whole earth during that universal darkness, with the exception of a few whom God will soon convert. The air shall be infected by demons who will appear under all sorts of hideous forms."
* "Religion shall be persecuted, and priests massacred Churches shall be closed, but only for a short time. The Holy Father shall be obliged to leave Rome." (Yves Dupont, Catholic Prophecy,Tan Books and Publishers, 1973)

V. Marie Julie Jahenny of La Fraudais (19th century, France)

1. She had five wounds of Our Lord. As a result she was called "The Breton Stigmatist". She had the marvellous gift recognizing Eucharistic bread from ordinary bread, objects that were blessed and those that were not ; relics and to say where they came from, and finally to understand in several language hymns and liturgical prayers. During a five year period from December 28, 1875 she survived only on Holy Communion. As Dr. Imbert-Gourbeyre recorded, during this whole period, there were no liquid or solid excretions. She was completely insensitive to pain or intense light during her ecstasies. Some of these ecstasies were accompanied by levitation; at that moment she was ecstatically light.
2. She had a vision of a dialogue between Our Lord and Lucifer and the latter said :
* "I will attack the Church. I will overthrow the Cross, I will decimate the people, I will deposit a great weakness of Faith in hearts. There will also be A GREAT DENIAL OF RELIGION. For a time I will be MASTER of all things, everything will be under MY CONTROL, even Your temple and all Your people."
3. "Saint Michael says that Satan will have possession of everything for some time and that he will reign completely over everything ; that all goodness, Faith, Religion will be buried in the tomb. . . Satan and his own will triumph with joy, but after this triumph, the Lord will in His turn gather His own people and will REIGN and TRIUMPH OVER EVIL and WILL RAISE UP from the tomb the buried Church, the prostrated Cross. . . "
4. Marie-Julie saw that "there will not remain any vestige of the Holy Sacrifice, no apparent trace of faith. CONFUSION will be everywhere..."
5. "All the works approved by the infallible Church will cease to exist as they are today for a time. In this sorrowful annihilation, brilliant signs will be manifested on earth. If because of the wickedness of men Holy Church will be in darkness, the Lord will also send darkness that will stop the wicked in their search of wickedness. . . "
6. On November 27, 1902 and May 10, 1904, Our Lord and Our Lady announced the conspiracy to invent the "New Mass":
* «I give you a WARNING. The disciples who are not of My Gospel are now working hard to remake according to their ideas and under the influence of the enemy of souls a MASS that contains words that are ODIOUS in My sight.»
* «When the fatal hour arrives when the faith of my priests is put to the test, it will be (these texts) that will be celebrated in this SECOND period... The FIRST period is (the one) of my priesthood which exists since Me. The SECOND is (the one) of the persecution when the ENEMIES of the Faith and of Holy Religion (will impose their formulas) in the book of the second celebration.. These infamous spirits are those who crucified me and are awaiting Tthe kingdom of THE NEW MESSIAH.»
7. Marie-Julie announced the three days of darkness during which the infernal powers will be loosed and will execute all the enemies of God. "The crisis will explode suddenly; the punishments will be shared by all and will succeed one another without interruption... "( January 4, 1884).
1. "The three days of darkness « will be on a THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. Days of the Most Holy Sacrament, of the Cross and Our Lady. . . .» three days less one night."
2. "«The earth will be covered in darkness», says Our Lady on 20th of September 1882, AND HELL WILL BE LOOSED ON EARTH. Thunder and lightning will cause those who have no faith or trust in My Power, to die of fear."
3. "During these three days of terrifying darkness, no windows must be opened, because no one will be able to see the earth and the terrible colour it will have in those days of punishment without dying at once... "
4. "The sky will be on fire, the earth will split... During these three days of darkness let the blessed candle be lighted everywhere, no other light will shine.... "
5. "NO ONE OUTSIDE A SHELTER.. will survive. The earth will shake as at the judgement and fear will be great. Yes, We will listen to the prayers of your friends ; NOT ONE WILL PERISH. We will need them to publish the glory of the Cross.... "(8th of December 1882).
6. " THE CANDLES OF BLESSED WAX ALONE WILL GIVE LIGHT during this horrible darkness. ONE CANDLE alone will be enough for the duration of this night of hell... In the homes of the wicked and blasphemers these candles will give NO LIGHT."
7. "And Our Lady states : « Everything will shake except the piece of furniture on which the blessed candle is burning. This will not shake. You will all gather around with the crucifix and my blessed picture. This is what will keep away this terror »"
8. "During this darkness the devils and the wicked will take on THE MOST HIDEOUS SHAPES... red clouds like blood will move across the sky. The crash of the thunder will shake the earth and sinister lightning will streak the heavens out of season. The earth will be shaken to its foundations. The sea will rise, its roaring waves will spread over the continent..."
9. "«THE EARTH WILL BECOME LIKE A VAST CEMETERY». The bodies of the wicked and the just will cover the ground."
10. "Three-quarters of the population of the globe will disappear. Half the population of France will be destroyed." (Marquis de la Franquerie, Marie-Julie Jahenny)

VI. St. Pius X (20th century, Italy)

* "I saw one of my successors taking to flight over the bodies of his brethren. He will take refuge in disguise somewhere and after a short retirement he will die a cruel death. The present wickedness of the world is only the beginning of the sorrows which must take place before the end of the world." (Yves Dupont, Catholic Prophecy,Tan Books and Publishers, 1973)

VII. Sister Elena Aiello (20th Century, Italy)

She was a Foundress of a religious order, a holy nun, a victim soul, and Stigmatist.

* The Blessed Virgin Mary appeared and told her on August 22, 1960:
o " . . . if people . . . do not return to God with truly Christian living, another terrible war will come from the East to the West. Russia with her secret armies will battle America: will overrun Europe. The river Rhine will be overflowing with corpses and blood. Italy will also be harassed by a great revolution, and the Pope will suffer terribly."
* The Blessed Virgin showed her other visions during 1959-1961:
o "Oh, what a horrible vision I see! A great revolution is going on in Rome! They are entering the Vatican. The Pope is all alone; he is praying. They are holding the Pope. They take him by force. They knock him down to the floor. They are tying him. Oh. God! Oh, God! They are kicking him. What a horrible scene! How dreadful!"
o "Our Blessed Mother is drawing near. Like corpses those evil men fall down to the floor. Our Lady helps the Pope to his feet and, taking him by the arm, She covers him with her mantle saying: Fear not!'
o "Russia will march upon all the nations of Europe, particularly Italy, and will raise her flag over the dome of St. Peter's. Italy will be severely tried by a great revolution, and Rome will be purified in blood for its many sins, especially those of impurity. The flock is about to be dispersed and the Pope will suffer greatly." (Albert J. Hebert, Prophecies! the Chastisement and Purification!, P.O. Box 309, Paulina, LA 70763).

VIII. Mother Elena Leonardi (20th Century, Italy)

* She had been under special guidance of the famous Stigmatist Padre Pio of Pietrelcina, Italy since she was nine. She was a victim soul, chosen by God to atone for Priests and sinners. The Eternal Father, Our Lord, The Virgin Mary, and Padre Pio appeared to her in visions and gave many important messages for the world from 1973 to 1983. The following is the message given by the Blessed Virgin Mary:
o "An unforeseen fire will descend over the whole earth, and a great part of humanity will be destroyed. This will be a time of despair for the impious: with shouts and satanic blasphemy, they will beg to be covered by the mountains, and they will try to seek refuge in caverns, but to no avail. Those who remain will find God's mercy in my power and protection, while all who refuse to repent of their sins will perish in a sea of fire!"
o "Blessed are those who at this time may be called truly devoted to Mary! My name is locked in your heart, my daughter. . . Russia will be almost completely burned." (Albert J. Herbert, The Three Days' Darkness, P.O. Box 309, Paulina, LA 70763).

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1. Introduction ~

Prophecy is the memory of future history, echoing across time and space. Prophecy is a proven talent of the human mind --- one that baffles our notions of time, fate, and free will. If a predicted event does not occur, then the seer has misinterpreted the psychic impression or was hallucinating. But false prophecies do not disprove or discredit the many that have been fulfilled. Indeed, many major events have been foretold with astonishing accuracy. Prophecy has exerted a powerful influence on the course of history. Many great historical figures, including Alexander the Great, Julius and Augustus Caesar, and George Washington, were gifted with prophecy.

The future is revealed to us through dreams, drugs, religious epiphanies, magical rituals, schizophrenia, and the mantic arts. Hundreds of ancient and modern prophets have given accounts of their visions. Many of them are concerned with global catastrophes in the "near future". Although no prophets have been 100% accurate, the seers represented here have made short- and long-term predictions that were fulfilled during and after their lifetimes. Considering the established credibility of these visionaries, their warnings of impending doom deserve our close attention. It behooves us to know the signs of the times and to recognize the shadows that great events cast before them. We should hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Those who do not prepare for the worst are asking for it. Prophecies can help guide some of us out of harms’ way when "insanity will attack the spirit of man and unrestrained hate shall rage". In any event, with grace, courage and love, some of us will survive and thrive to live in peace at long last.

Time is running out for these prophecies to be fulfilled or annulled. It is not too late to heed the warnings and prevent some disasters. The outcome of events can be modified by right action, unless and until it is too late.

2. Aztec Prophecies ~

Prophecies can be misunderstood, misinterpreted, and misused, and they tend to be self-fulfilling. The Spanish conquest of the Aztec empire is a perfect example of this problem. Toltec legends tell of Quetzelcoatl, a white-skinned, bearded priest-king who came from the East to establish an enlightened kingdom among the Indians. Eventually he departed by boat to the West. Quetzelcoatl promised to return, and as the appointed day of his second coming approached, heavenly omens indicated that the Aztec culture was about to come to an abrupt and violent end.

Nezhaulcoyotl, a king of Texcoco whose reign bridged the 15th and 16th centuries, also was a great astrologer. He had an observatory built on the roof of his palace, and invited other astrologers in his kingdom to come to his court. There he disputed with them and taught his wisdom. When Moctezuma II was elected king of Mexico, Nezhaulcoyotl praised the nation for having chosen a ruler "whose deep knowledge of heavenly things insured to his subjects his comprehension of those of an earthly nature." (1)

Nezhaulcoyotl gave Moctezuma II detailed warnings of a new astrological age that was beginning in the Aztec calendar. One of the omens was a famine which developed in 1507. Then an earthquake occurred after the "Lighting of the New Age" ceremony inaugurated by Moctezuma II. These were sure signs of impending disaster. Each year thereafter until Hernando Cortes invaded Mexico in 1518, a new omen appeared. A comet with three heads and sparks shooting from its tail was seen flying eastward. In another year, another comet, described as "a pyramidal light, which scattered sparks on all sides, rose at midnight from the eastern horizon till the apex reached the zenith, and faded at dawn." This phenomenon appeared for 40 nights, and was interpreted to presage "wars, famine, pestilence, and mortality among the lords."

In 1508, Moctezuma II visited Tlillancalmecatl ("Place of Heavenly Learning"), where he was given a rare bird. In its shiny crest, he saw the stars in reflection and "fire sticks" (guns). The image changed to show the advance of warriors riding on horses which, since he had never seen them before, he described as deer.

Also in 1508, Moctezuma’s sister Paranazin collapsed into a cataleptic trance that was mistaken for death. She recovered while the funeral procession was taking her to the royal crypt. She said that during her trance she received a vision of great ships from a distant land arriving with men bearing arms, carrying banners, and wearing "metal casques" (helmets). The foreigners were to become masters of the Aztecs.

For several days in 1519, a comet hung over the capital city of Tenochtitlan. It was described as "a rip in the sky which bleeds celestial influences dropwise onto the Aztec world". After that, a thunderbolt struck and burned down the temple of the deity Huitilopchitli. The last omen came one night, again to Tenochtitlan. A woman’s voice was heard "coming from everywhere and nowhere... crying 'My children, my children, are lost!'"

From these and other signs, the Aztecs understood their doom as originating with celestial powers. Was it then mere coincidence, or did the hands of the Fates steer Cortes’ ships to land on April 22, 1519, the very day that the Aztec calendar calculated for Quetzelcoatl’s return at the end of the 13th Heaven and the beginning of the 9 Hells? It was as though the directing forces of the world had staged the drama to be acted out by historical characters. Anticipating the momentous event of Quetzelcoatl’s return, Moctezuma II had posted watchers on the coast to draw images of the aliens and deliver them to him. The emperor was amazed that the light-skinned, bearded figures matched the traditional descriptions of Quetzelcoatl. This case of mistaken identity caused the Aztecs to put up little resistance to the Spaniards, who soon conquered the empire.

To prevent mutiny among his troops, Cortes burned the ships after they landed. The cavalry-mounted Spanish forces then quickly defeated several local tribes who resisted their invasion. When their chiefs sued for peace, Cortes gave them his helmet and commanded them to take it to the emperor and return it filled with gold. The helmet itself was an object of wonder to the Aztecs: it was almost identical to that worn by the great deity Huitzilopochtli. Marveling at the similarity, the emperor returned the helmet, filled with gold and accompanied by a warning to come no closer. But the Spaniard's greed for gold and dominion drew them inexorably toward Tenochtitlan.

Though nearly overwhelmed with superstitious fear of the mythic Quetzelcoatl, Moctezuma II is said to have greeted Cortes at the city gates with the words: "O Lord, with what trouble have you journeyed to reach us, have arrived in this land, your own country of Mexico, to sit on your throne, which I have been guarding for you this while; I have been watching for you, for my ancestors told that you would return. Welcome to this land. Rest a while; rest in your palace."

Although he was outnumbered militarily by more than 1000 to 1 (Moctezuma's palace guard alone was larger than Cortes' expedition), Cortes boldly accepted the offer. In the course of ensuing events, the Spaniards seized Moctezuma II and displayed the captive king to his subjects. Reacting in anger, the people stoned and fatally wounded him. The Aztec empire fell soon afterwards.

As he lay dying, Moctezuma II had a wondrous vision. He told it to Tula, his favorite daughter. Later, she told it to the Tezcucan noble Iztlilzochitl, who recorded it:

"To the world I have said farewell. I see its vanities go away from me one by one. Last in the train and most loved, most glittering is power, and in its hands I see my heart. A shadow creeps over me, darkening all without, but brightening all within, and in the brightness, lo, I see my people and their future!

"The long, long cycles, two, four, eight, pass away, and I see the tribes newly risen, like the trodden grass, and in their midst a Priesthood and a Cross. An age of battle more, and lo! There remains the Cross, but not the priests; in their stead is Freedom and God.

"I know the children of the Aztecs, crushed now, will live, and more after ages of wrong suffered by them, they will rise up, and take their place --- a place of splendor --- amongst the deathless nations of the earth. What I was given to see was revelation. Cherish these words, O Tula; repeat them often, make them a cry of the people, a sacred tradition; let them go down with the generations, one of which will, at last, understand the meaning of the words FREEDOM And GOD, now dark to my understanding; and then, not till then, will be the new birth and new career."

3. Inca Prophecy ~

In the 14th century, almost 200 years before Pizzaro arrived to conquer the Incas, a young prince had a dream in which a spirit appeared and identified itself as Viracocha Inca, son of the sun and brother of the first king of the Inca dynasty. The spirit said that a northern tribe, the Chancas, was preparing a revolution against the monarchy, and serious consequences would follow. The Chancas did rebel, and the prince subdued them. But rebellion was common, and the Inca priests concluded that a much greater danger was implied in the warning. The priests interpreted another meaning: One day, bearded foreigners who were "masters of the lightning" would arrive from the sea to herald the fall of the empire.

The prince became the eighth Inca king, and the people gave him the name Viracocha. He commissioned the construction of a temple with twelve winding halls leading upward to a statue of a tall, bearded man dressed in a tunic. He held a chained, ferocious animal that had the claws of a leopard. King Viracocha carved the statue with his own hands in order to create an exact image of the spirit in his veridic dream.

Several omens occurred as the years passed. One day in the sky over the capitol city of Cuzco, a condor (the sacred messenger of the sun) was attacked by swarm of falcons. The wounded condor fell into the city square and was given medical aid by the priests, but it died anyway. The Inca sages were greatly disturbed because they saw it as an omen of bad times to come.

In an audience before Huayna Capac, the 11th Inca king, a soothsayer interpreted an awesome sign that had appeared in the sky: three halos (red, green and brown) encircling the moon. The sage said:

"The Moon, your Mother, tells you that Pachacamac, the Creator and giver of Life, threatens your Family, your Realm, and subjects. Your sons will wage a cruel War, those of royal Blood will die, and the Empire will disappear."

Since there were only twelve halls in the Temple of Viracocha, and Huayna Capac was the 11th king, he correctly feared that the kingdom would end with its next ruler. Huayna Capac also worried about a party of light-skinned, bearded foreigners who had come ashore to the north, wielding strange weapons that erupted with fire, as spoken of in earlier prophecies.

On his deathbed, Huayna Capac addressed his priests and officials thus:

"Our father the sun has revealed to me that after a reign of twelve Incas, his own children, there will appear in our country an unknown race of men who will subdue our empire. They doubtless belong to the people whose messengers have appeared on our shores. Be sure of it, these foreigners will reach this country and fulfill the prophecy."

The foreign messengers were Vasco Nunez de Balboa and company, which arrived at Tumbes in 1511. The Spaniards returned in 1532, well armed for conquest under Pizzaro's command. Within a few years after the death of Huayna Capac, his two sons went to war against each other. Atahualpa won and assumed the throne as the 12th Inca, just in time to receive Pizzaro and lose the empire.

4. Mayan Prophecy ~

Anthropologist Christian Ratsch translated the following sad prophecy of the end of the world according to the religious tradition of the peaceful Lacandone Maya of southern Mexico:

"The Lacandone word for ‘world’ is kax, which means ‘forest’. The forest provides everything useful in Lacandone culture. And because of this, the people’s life quite literally depends on the forest or the forest ecology.

"The Lacandones are completely aware of the interlocking ecological dependencies and do their best to protect the forest from destruction. The forest is regarded as a special gift or trusteeship to its inhabitants and is treated with the deepest respect...

"The big forest trees are thought to have a soul in the shape of a human being. If the tree is alive, the soul’s body will remain upside down in the trunk. The arms are divided into the roots, the legs are inside the branches. If a tree is cut down, the soul will arrive in the shape of a human being, but with a pierced and bloody throat. If Hachakyum, Our True Lord, who is the consciousness of heaven, sees too many of these bloody souls, he will get angry and punish the humans for cutting down more trees than necessary. To avoid Hachakyum’s wrath, which will cause an ecological disaster, no Lacandone is allowed to cut trees without a special purpose, either for subsistence or for house construction or for dugout manufacture. Since the turn of the century, the Lacandone forest has been exploited by loggers and different mahogany companies. The loggers were followed by settlers not native to the jungle and cowboys establishing cattle farms. Today about half of the original rainforest is destroyed and the whole area shows primary ecological disturbances.

"The peaceful Lacandones await the End of the World helplessly --- an end of the world which was prophesied by an inscription on ancient stellae at Yachilan, their sacred home, and recorded by Akinchob, son-in-law of our True Lord.

"The End of the World will come, so it is said, so it was told. Our end will come when there are no more trees. Then, when all are cut down, when people are everywhere, when there is no more forest. So it is said, so it was told by the ancient habo-people. They said this:

"Kaxon bake xen, well, if it is true, if the forest is overcrowded by people, if there are settlements all over, built up by the kah-people, which are settling close together, when all the trees are cut down, when there are no more mahogany trees, when all trees are destroyed, when only the hills remain, then the end of the world will come. Not now, but very soon. The end will reach us. This is said. Our end will come. Nothing will be left of us.

"It is said, but who really knows, if it will be a storm or if it will be the sun, which will burn us, which will destroy us. Fast, very fast the end will reach us. It is said, it will only last as long as dawn lasts, as long as the sun needs to reach the treetops. Fast it will be. And nothing will be left of us. One hour and we are all gone

"Perhaps a great coldness will come or something else. Hachykum, Our True Lord, will get our blood. He will gather all of us there in Yaxchilan (at the center of the universe)... The gods will bring us to Yaxchilan. All the people with good blood will be gathered. When they arrive there, their necks will be cut. So it is said.

"Then when the world’s end is coming nothing will remain. Everything will find its end. There will be no thorns and spines, no flies, no bloodsucking bugs --- nothing. But then the souls will come, the souls of the ancients, the souls of the deceased. They will inhabit the earth. They will stay together with the gods."

Another eschatological Mayan vision proclaims:

"Eat, eat, so long as there is bread; Drink, drink, so long as there is water; A day will come, when dust will darken the sky, when a stench of pestilence will cause the land to wither, when a cloud will rise, when a mountain will be raised, when a strong man will seize the city, when all things will fall into ruin, when the tender leaf will be destroyed, when eyes will close in death."

5. The Eagle Bowl Calendar ~

The sacred Aztec calendar is properly called the Eagle Bowl (Fig. 1). It represents the solar deity Tonatiuh. The amazingly accurate calendar has been in use in various forms for more than 2,000 years. A Zapotec prophecy, based on the Eagle Bowl, states that "After Thirteen Heavens of Decreasing Choice, and Nine Hells of Increasing Doom, the Tree of Life shall blossom with a fruit never before known in the creation, and that fruit shall be the New Spirit of Men". The 13 Heavens and 9 Hells were each 52 years long (1,144 years total). Each of the 9 Hells were to be worse than the last. On the final day of the last Hell (August 17, 1987), Tezcatlipoca, god of death, would remove his mask of jade to reveal himself as Quetzelcoatl, god of peace.

In the mythology of the Aztecs, the first age of mankind ended with the animals devouring humans. The second age was finished by wind, the third by fire, and the fourth by water. The present fifth epoch is called Nahui-Olin (Sun of Earthquake), which began in 3113 BC and will end on December 24, 2011. It will be the last destruction of human existence on Earth. The date coincides closely with that determined by the brothers McKenna in The Invisible Landscape as "the end of history" indicated by their computer analysis of the ancient Chinese oracle-calendar, the I Ching.

The Mayan calendar is divided into Seven Ages of Man. The fourth epoch ended in August 1987. The Mayan calendar comes to an end on Sunday, December 23, 2012. Only a few people will survive the catastrophe that ensues. In the fifth age, humanity will realize its spiritual destiny. In the sixth age, we will realize God within ourselves, and in the seventh age we will become so spiritual that we will be telepathic.

6. Quetzelcoatl ~

Hundreds of North and South American Indian and South Pacific legends tell of a white-skinned, bearded lord who traveled among the many tribes to bring peace about 2,000 years ago. This spiritual hero was best known as Quetzelcoatl. Some of his many other names were: Kate-Zahl (Toltec), Kul-kul-kan (Maya), Tah-co-mah (NW America), Waicomak (Dakota), Wakea (Cheyenne, Hawaiian and Polynesian), Waikano (Orinoco), Hurakan, the Mighty Mexico, E-See-Co-Wah (Lord of Wind and Water), Chee-Zoos, the Dawn God (Puan, Mississippi), Hea-Wah-Sah (Seneca), Taiowa, Ahunt Azoma, E-See-Cotl (New Guinea), Itza-Matul (Yucatan), Zac-Mutul (Mayan), Wakon-Tah (Navajo), Wakona (Algonquin), etc.. (2)

When he left the Toltecs and sailed away to the East, Kate-Zahl promised to return to them after several cycles of their calendar. He made a prophecy about the destiny of the sacred city Tula (now identified with Teotihuacan in Mexico) through two millennia. The Toltecs would be conquered first by the Sacrificers of Men (the Aztecs), then by white-skinned, bearded men of the East carrying fatal "thunder-rods" --- the Spaniards and their guns:

"Further off there is another invasion. In ships many bearded men are coming from across the Sunrise Ocean... I see these men taking the Broad Land... They do not respect our trees of cedar. They are but hungry, unenlightened children...

"Would that I could speak to these bearded farmers. I have tried. They do not hear me. They go on their way like spoiled children...

"Stand with me in the Year of Te-Tac-patl. Look across the Sunrise Ocean. Three ships come like great birds flying. They land. Out come men in metal garments, carrying rods which speak with thunder and kill at a distance. These men are bearded and pale of feature.

"They come ashore and I see them kneeling. Above them I see a Great Cross standing. That is well. If these men are true to the symbol they carry, you need have no fear of them, for no one who is true to that symbol will ever carry it into battle.

"Therefore hold aloft your Great Cross (T), and go forth to meet them. They cannot fail to know that symbol, and would not fire their rods upon it, nor upon those who stand in its shadow. Well they know that what is done to my people is done also to me.

"When the years have come to their full binding, the metal-tipped boots of the strangers will be heard in all the bloody temples. Then throughout the Broad Land has begun the Third Cycle. As yet, I cannot see beyond it.

"Once I had great hope for these people, for I saw them kneel and kiss the sweet earth, and I saw the shadow of the Great Cross which they carried with them. Now I must warn you against them.

"Carry your great books into the jungles. Place your histories deeply in caverns where none of these men can find them. Nor do you bring them back to the sunlight until the War-Cycle is over. For these bearded strangers are the children of War. They speak my precepts, but their ears do not listen. They have but one love and that is for weapons. Ever more horrible are these weapons, until they reach for the one which is ultimate. Should they use that, there will be no forgiveness in that vale where there is no turning. Using such a weapon to make man over, is reaching into the heavens for the Godhead. These things are not for man’s decision, nor should man presume to think for all things, and thus mock the Almighty. Woe to those who do not listen! There are lamps beyond that which you are burning; roads beyond this which you are treading; worlds beyond the one you are seeing. Be humble before the might of the Great Hand which guides the stars within their places. There are many lodges within my Father’s Kingdom for it is more vast than time, and more eternal.

"Keep hidden your books, my children, all during the Cycle of Warring Strangers. The day will come when they will be precious.

"For five full Cycles of the Dawn Star, the rule of the Warring Strangers will go on to greater and greater destruction. Hearken well to all I have taught you. Do not return to the Sacrificers. Their path leads to the last Destruction. Know that the end will come in five full cycles, for five, the difference between the Earth’s number and that of the Gleaming Dawn Star, is the number of these children of War. As a sign to you that the end is nearing, my Father’s Temple will be uncovered. Remember this in the days which are coming."

Tula-Teotihuacan was found and excavated by archaeologists only in recent years. In another prophecy, Kate-Zahl described the city as it will be rebuilt in the future:

"Then the heavens spoke in a crash of thunder, and the lightning flashed above the valley. The Man turned to look again on Tula, his most beloved city. Behold! It was naught but a mass of rubble.

"He wept there with great sorrow. He clung to the rocks, staring back toward Tula. Then the heavens roared again and shook the mountain. A flash of light struck beside Him and cracked the darkness. Behold! The old heaven and earth were vanished, and He looked into another cycle.

"The heavens parted and a rising sun shone down on another Tula. Plainly he could see the valley, but the city was one He knew not. Magnificent was this Golden Tula!

"The Man was lifted beyond the earth. No longer He saw the Age of Destruction. Gone was the horrible Age of Warfare. He was looking beyond the Age of Carnage!

"Walk with me through this Age of the Future. Tula shines in all its glory, but the metals are of types we know not. Loving hands have rebuilt the parkways, have paved the streets, have rebuilt the temples. There is a great building where books are kept for the scholars, and many are those who come to read them. Tula is a great Center of Culture.

"Come with me to the New Colula. Shining again is My Father’s Temple! Once more the city is filled with fountains and the parkways are wire-netted for the birds of rare plumage, and those who sing to enchant the listener. Cross through the parkway to My Father’s Temple. You will see again the inscriptions which today your eyes are seeing, but now all people can read them.

"Come to the city of the future. Here are the buildings unlike those we build, yet they have a breathless beauty. Here people dress in materials we know not, travel in manners beyond our knowledge, but more important than all these differences are the faces of the people. Gone is the shadow of fear and suffering, for man no longer sacrifices, and he has outgrown the wars of his childhood. Now he walks in full stature towards his destiny --- into the Golden Age of Learning.

"Carry this vision on through the Ages, and remember Kate-Zahl, the Prophet."

In Book X of his History, the 16th century chronicler Fray Bernardino de Sahagun described the departure of the "wise men" who had been the attendant priests of Kate-Zahl at Teotihuacan:

"... The wise men remained not long; soon they went. Once again, they embarked and carried off the writing, the books, the paintings; they carried away all the crafts, the castings of metals. And when they departed, they summoned all those they left behind. They said to them: ‘Our lord, the protector of all, the wind, the night, saith you shall remain. We go leaving you here. Our lord goeth bequesting you this land; it is your merit, your lot. Our lord, the master of all, goeth still farther, and we go with him. Whither the lord, the night, the wind, our lord, the master of all, goeth, we go accompanying him. He goeth, he goeth back, but he will come, he will come to do his duty, he will come to acknowledge you. When the world is become oppressed, when it is the end of the world, at the time of its ending, he will come to bring it to an end. But you shall dwell here; you shall stand guard here..."

A surviving Toltec legend says:

"Ce Acatl [Quetzelcoatl] spent a night with a Huiteca family. They fed him and played music for him. The father, a strong Indian farmer, showed Ce Acatl a stone carving he had and told him, ‘This carving tells of the coming of the Lord of the Dawn. It says he will come in the Year One Reed. It says he will build a city and change the world.’

"The farmer had no idea who he was talking to. He continued. ‘Now,’ he said, ‘many people say he will not come. Many people say it is a long time from now that he will come. Some people say he will come from the East and he will bring a great book of words and numbers. Other people say he will come from a tree and count the Last twenty Days of the Creation. What do you say about this?’

"Ce Acatl grew gray with the depth of his answer. ‘If I told you of my thought, of what I know of the Spirit of the Lord of the Dawn, if I told you of what I think will happen, you would laugh and think me crazy. So I say only this: One day a race shall walk upon this earth, a race of men whose spirits are so great, whose wisdom is so complete, whose powers to commune with the Creator are so keen they will dwarf the doings of the Lord of the Dawn of our day. When that day comes the Creator will send forth a manifestation that will in turn amaze the wisest men of that unbelievable age. And even then the greatest brains on earth will wonder --- has he come? Will he come? Or has he been here?’"

When he departed, Ce Acatl promised to close the Thirteenth Heaven and open the First of the Nine Hells, and he vowed to destroy the man-made gods. He set the year and date of his birth (260 years later on Day One Reed in year One Reed) and said, "I shall return. I shall come from the east like the Morning Star, and I will fulfill that part of the prophecy."

It is said that when Ce Acatl passed away at the age of 52, ‘A hush fell over the entire planet, and burning bright in the heavens directly above the great tree, the Tree of Life [El Tule], glowed the planet Venus, the Morning Star."

Quetzelcoatl also foretold that "In time, white men will come out of the eastern sea in great canoes with white wings like a big bird. The white men will be like a bird with two different kinds of feet. One foot will be that of a dove [Christianity], the other of an eagle [predator]. A few hundred years after the arrival of the first white men, other white men would arrive with both feet as a dove". Quetzelcoatl himself or his spirit would come in the form of a white dove at that time.

A Zapotec prophecy, transmitted by Joseph Jochmans, also announced the recent return of Quetzelcoatl: "One of the incarnations of Quetzelcoatl is buried beneath the roots of the sacred El Tule Tree near Oaxaca, and as the first rays of the dawning sun of the new heaven cycle [August 17, 1987] sink into the depths of the Earth, billions of tiny spirits will burst from the heart of Quetzelcoatl. They will slowly rise through the trunk, through the limbs and branches, appearing as sparkles of light, finally erupting from limbs and branches, to circle the globe, each spirit to implant itself within the heart of a human being, and plant a crystal of peace and love..."

7. Hopi Prophecy ~

In the course of their communion with the Great Spirit, native Americans have received many visions of the destiny of North American civilization. The largest number of such prophesies have been preserved by the Hopi in Arizona. Their community of Oraibi is the oldest continually inhabited settlement (about 1,000 years) in North America. The name Hopi is derived from Hopitu Shinumu ("Peaceful [or: Righteous] People").

The Hopi believe that the human race has evolved through three world stages of life since its origin. Each of these worlds was destroyed in turn, and human life was purified and nearly ended by the Great Spirit because of man’s corruption and greed. (3)

In the Hopi cosmology, the universe at first was only infinite blackness in the mind of Taiowa, the Creator. Taiowa made Sotuknang, the first man, and commanded him to order the cosmos. On the first day, Sotuknang divided the universe into nine worlds. One world was reserved for Taiowa, one was for Man, and seven were for future worlds. The present is the Fourth World.

Topkela was the first and most beautiful of the worlds. There, humanity thrived in harmony with Nature in the company of animals. But the Snake spoke and seduced Man away from Taiowa the Creator. Seeing this, Taiowa ordered Satuknang to destroy Tokpela and its inhabitants, except for a few "children of pure heart" whom he sheltered in the center of the Earth when he rained fire upon the planet and burned the sky. The people stayed underground while volcanoes erupted. Afterwards, the people emerged and moved into the second world, Topka, which was less beautiful than the first. There, men lived in huts, learned crafts, and drew apart from Nature. Eventually they became greedy, materialistic, and insatiable as before. Taiowa again ordered Sotuknang to destroy the humans and the world they had ruined. The faithful few again hid underground with the Ant People. The earth rolled over twice, and everything on it was destroyed by ice, which covered everything. After the ice had melted enough to make the world inhabitable, the survivors emerged into the third world, Kuskurza. There, man built cities and tall buildings, and departed further still from the Creator’s nature, becoming very evil. Kuskurza in turn was destroyed by flood. (4-6)

When the Hopi’s ancestors emerged from the underworld, they met the demigod Maasaw, who owns this world. Maasaw had been caretaker of the Third World, but because of his pride, he had been demoted to become the god of death. When Kuskurza was destroyed, Taiowa gave Maasaw another chance and appointed him to be the guardian of this world. The people asked Maasaw for permission to live in the new land of Turtle Island (North America).

Maasaw said, "It is up to you, whether you are willing to live my poor, humble and simple life. It is hard, but if you are willing to live according to my teachings and instructions and will never lose faith in the life I shall give you, you may come and live with me. Now you look at me. I am a poor man. I have almost nothing: I have only my planting stick, my seed corn, and a jug of water. I live a simple life. If you wish to live with me, you must sacrifice many things. If you want me for your leader, your chief, you must prove that you can live this way of life.

"Now look around. See this land. It is poor land. There is not much water and very few trees. But this is the richest land. There is great wealth under. But hear this warning -- you are not to disturb this land and take this wealth out as long as there is still war going on. If you do, these things will be used to destroy life and this will not be your salvation...

"Never disturb this land. Do not cede your land to anyone; don’t ever give it away. Above all, it is to provide your nourishment. Hold this land dear like a mother as long as you live. If you sell it you will no longer reap crops. Be prepared: one after another people will approach you and put you to the test in this matter.

"If, in addition, you are willing to adopt the religion which I practice, you will derive further benefits for your life... But you have arrived with great ambitions and expectations. When you fall into your evil ways again, you will make me weep...

"All right, you have settled in a desert, yet the land is filled with riches. You reside on the very backbone of the earth. All kinds of precious things are buried in this earth. There exists a storehouse of treasures underground but you must not dig them up yet.

"Three times big war will rage. Should you excavate these treasures while the killing is taking place, powerful weapons will be forged from them and people will be slain by them. If you act on your own in this matter, you will do wrong. Not before the day of purification has been completed, may you unearth these things. At that time people will benefit from them. However, if these wars ever take place here, don’t pick up your weapons, and don’t engage in the business of killing..."

The people asked Maasaw to be their leader, but he declined. "No, he said. "A greater one than I has given you a plan to fulfill first. When the previous parts of the world were pushed underwater, this new land was pushed up in the middle to become the backbone of the earth. You are now standing on its west side slope. But you have not yet made your migrations. You have not yet followed your stars to the place where you will meet and settle. This you must do before I can become your leader. But if you go back to evil ways again I will take over the earth from you, for I am its caretaker, guardian, and protector... So go now and claim the land with my permission."

Maasaw then placed four different colors and sizes of corn before the leaders of the four different racial groups, and had each one choose which would be their food in this world. The Hopi were the last to choose, and they picked the smallest ear of multi-colored corn. Pleased by their choice, Maasaw said:

"It is well done. You have chosen the real corn, for all the others are imitations inside of which are hidden seeds of different plants. You have shown me your intelligence; for this reason I will place in your hands these owa tutuveni [sacred stone tablets], symbols of power and authority over all land and life to guard, protect, and hold in trust for me until I return to you in a later day, for I am the first, but I am also going to be the last."

One of the three Bear Clan tablets describes the land from the Grand Canyon to the Rio Grande, which was granted by Maasaw to the Hopis. Another tablet is inscribed with mnemonic symbols of prophecies. A third tablet maps the allocations of farmland to the various clans, and delegates leadership to the Bear Clan. The fourth tablet is a very precise map of the location of the Sipaapuni, the great underground city where the Hopi ancestors hid during the destruction of the past worlds. (Figs. 2, 3)

Figure 2

The Owa Tutuveni
(Frank Waters)

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Owa Tutuveni
(J. Jochmans)

The symbols on the front of the tablet now held by the Fire Clan show the mask of Maasaw and the swastika pattern which represents the Hopi migrations. One corner is missing. The back of the Fire Clan tablet shows the figure of a headless man, which symbolizes the following prophecy:

"In a time to come, the Hopis will be forced to develop their lives at the dictates of a new ruler. They are not to resist, but must wait for their Elder Brother, Antsa Qoetsapava Powatanica. A corner of the Fire Clan tablet was broken off and given to the Elder Brother when he left on his migration. He hid it in the Sipaapuni city because he did not want to risk losing it in the course of his travels and reincarnations. He will retrieve it when he returns. In due time, the tablet will be split open to expose interior inscriptions which will reveal the origin and identity of the Hopi. Fitting the missing corner piece to the tablet, the Elder Brother will thus identify himself to the Hopi. The tablet will be split open to expose interior inscriptions which will reveal the origin and identity of the Hopi. Then Pahaana will proceed to deliver them from their persecutors and develop with them a new and universal brotherhood of man. But if he accepts any other religion, he must assent to having his own head cut off. This will dispel the evil and save the Hopi people."

The chief of the Bow Clan led the faithful Hopi to this new land, but he fell into evil ways. His two sons rebuked him for his mistakes, and after he died they assumed the responsibilities of leadership. Then Maasaw sent the Elder Brother to the east and across the ocean. Upon reaching his destination, he was to start back to look for his younger brother, who remained on Turtle Island. The Elder Brother’s mission was to help his younger brother to bring about Purification Day, when evil people would be punished and destroyed. Afterwards, real peace, brotherhood, and everlasting life would be established. The Elder Brother would restore to his younger brother all the land which the Evil One among the white men had taken.

The younger brother (the Hopi ancestors) was instructed to travel throughout Turtle Island and mark his trail with the petroglyphs we see today. This was done to claim the land, and to record and preserve the history of the Indians throughout the reign of white men. The whites would destroy most of the native Americans’ oral history and culture before destroying themselves also.

A great white star would appear when the Elder Brother reached his destination. All people were to settle wherever they happened to be at that time, and there they were to remain until the Elder Brother returned.

The Hopi settled in Tuuwanasavi, the area now known as Four Corners, where the state lines of Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado meet. This area is the "heart" of Turtle Island and of Mother Earth, and it is the microcosmic image of the entire planet. There, the Hopi lived a simple life as stewards of the land, which produced abundant crops despite being a desert. Their katsina ceremonies serve to maintain the balance of natural forces and to reaffirm their faith in Taiowa, in Maasaw and other spirits, and to show respect for all life.

Maasaw told the Hopi that after a time Pahana, White Man, would come and take their land and try to lead the Hopi into evil ways. Life would be Koyaanisqatsi ("World out of balance"). The Hopi were told that they must hold to their ancient religion and their land, and they must do it without violence. Maasaw promised that if they succeeded, their people and land would be a center where the True Spirit would reawaken.

Maasaw said that after many years the Elder Brother might change the color of his skin, but his hair will remain black, and he will wear it long, in a braided tail. He will wear a red cloak or a red cap which resembles the back of a horned toad. He will speak the Hopi language, and he will be able to write. He will follow no religion but his very own. He will bring (or come to recover) the missing corner of the owa tutuveni, and he will correctly interpret the tablets.

The Hopi are to meet him on the trail on the east side of Oraibi if he is on time (on the last day of Soyal, the winter solstice ceremony), or on the trail to Sikya’wa (Yellow Rock), at Chokuw (Pointed Rock), Nahoyungvasa (Cross Fields), or at Tawtona (Where the Sun Ray Goes Over the Line) below Oraibi if he is 5, 10, 15, or 20 years late. Then, great judgment and punishment will take place. The Elder Brother will help the younger brother obtain justice. In one day he will gain control of the whole continent. Even the Hopi people must beware:

"If he comes from the East, the destruction will not be so bad. But if he comes from the West, do not go up on your housetops to see because he will have no mercy."

It is said that the Elder Brother will bring with him two great, intelligent and powerful helpers. One will have a sign of a swastika and the sign of the sun. The first helper can be interpreted to represent the German-Japanese Axis of World War Two. From the Hopis’ perspective, these enemies of the USA were doing the Indians a real service. The second helper will have the sign of a Celtic Cross with red lines between the arms of the cross. In the Hopi symbology, this form of cross represents women, and the red lines indicates their menstrual flow. The symbol represents their liberation and the revival of matriarchal power after ages of suppression.

Maasaw warned that if these great beings failed, terrible evil would befall the world and great numbers of people would be killed. However, they would succeed if enough Hopi remained true to the ancient spirit of their people. Unfortunately, there are very few traditionalist Hopis remaining today, so the situation looks very bleak.

Hopi prophecy states that World War III will be started by the people who first received the light --- China, Palestine, India and Africa. When the war comes, the United States will be destroyed by "a gourd of ashes" which will be thrown to the ground. The rivers will boil, the earth shall burn, and no grass will grow there for many years. It will cause a disease that no medicine can cure. This can only mean that nuclear weapons will be used against the USA. The Hopi traditionalist Thomas Banyaca has said that if many US soldiers are sent overseas, they will be killed by atomic bombs, and then Turtle Island also will be bombed. "Men will fall from the sky", meaning that invading soldiers will parachute to earth.

According to another prophecy, "When the Blue Star Kachina dances in the plaza, the time of the great trial will be here... The end of all Hopi ceremonies will come when a Kachina removes his mask during a dance in the plaza before uninitiated children. For a while there will be no more ceremonies, no more faith. Then Oraibi will be rejuvenated with its faith and ceremonies, marking the start of a new cycle of Hopi life."

The following Hopi prophecy was first published in a mimeographed manuscript that circulated among several Methodist and Presbyterian churches in 1959. While driving along a desert road one hot day in the summer of 1958, a minister named David Young stopped to offer a ride to a Hopi elder, who accepted with a nod. After riding in silence for several minutes, the elder said:

"I am White Feather, a Hopi of the ancient Bear Clan. In my long life I have traveled through this land, seeking out my brothers, and learning from them many things full of wisdom. I have followed the sacred paths of my people, who inhabit the forests and many lakes in the east, the land of ice and long nights in the north, the mountains and streams of jumping fish in the west, and the places of holy altars of stone built long ago by my brothers’ fathers in the south. From all these I have heard the stories of the past, and the prophecies of the future. Today, many of the prophecies have turned to stories, and few are left --- the past grows longer, and the future grows shorter.

"And now White Feather is dying. His sons have all joined his ancestors, and soon he too shall be with them. But there is no one left, no one to recite and pass on the ancient wisdom. My people have tired of the old ways. The great ceremonies that tell of our origins, of our Emergence into the Fourth World, are almost all abandoned, forgotten. Yet even this has been foretold. The time grows short...

"My people await Pahana, the lost White Brother, as do all our brothers in the land. He will not be like the white men we know now, who are cruel and greedy. We were told of their coming long ago. But still we await Pahana.

"He will bring with him the symbols, the missing piece of that sacred tablet now kept by the elders, given to him when he left, that shall identify him as our True White Brother.

"The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.

"This is the First Sign: We are told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana --- men who took the land that was not theirs. And men who struck their enemies with thunder.

"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of the spinning wheels of wood filled with voices. In my youth, my father saw this prophecy come true with his eyes --- the white men bringing their families in wagons across the prairies.

"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast, like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. These White Feather saw with his own eyes --- the coming of the white mans’ cattle.

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be criss-crossed by snakes of iron.

"This is the Fifth Sign: The land will be criss-crossed by a giant spider’s web.

"This is the Sixth Sign: The land will be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun.

"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it.

"This is the Eighth Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom.

"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.

"These are the Signs that great destruction is coming. The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands --- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying. Many of my people, understanding the prophecies, shall be safe. Those who stay and live in the places of my people also shall be safe. Then there will be much to rebuild. And soon --- very soon afterward --- Pahana will return. He shall bring with him the dawn of the Fifth World. He shall plant the seeds of his wisdom in their hearts. Even now the seeds are being planted. These shall smooth the way to the Emergence into the Fifth World.

"But White Feather shall not see it. I am old and dying. You --- perhaps you will see it. In time, in time..."

The Hopi elder became silent. They had arrived at his destination, and Rev. Young stopped to let him out of the car. They never met again. Rev. Young died in 1976, so he did not live to see the further fulfillment of this remarkable prophecy.

The signs are interpreted thus: The First Sign is of guns, and the Second is of the pioneers’ covered wagons. The Third Sign is of longhorn cattle. The Fourth describes railroad tracks, and the Fifth is a clear image of electric power and telephone lines. The Sixth Sign describes concrete highways and their effect of producing mirages. The Seventh Sign predicts catastrophic oil spills such as the Exxon Valdez. The Eighth Sign suggests the hippy movement of the 1960s and 70s. The Ninth Sign was the U.S. space station Skylab, which fell to Earth in 1979. According to Australian eyewitnesses, it appeared to be burning blue. Or, the Russian space station Mir may be indicated here.

Another version of this prophecy says that when a black ribbon (the highway) is built on the land, a bug (the automobile) will move on it, and this will be this sign for the first shaking of the Earth, World War One. The first shaking will be so violent that the bug will be shaken off the earth and will begin to fly (the airplane), leaving a trail of dirt behind it. Eventually the sky will become so dirty that it will cause diseases that will become worse and worse. This may refer to the current controversy about "chem-trails", the aerial web of chemical sprays that are beings spewed over America.

Another Hopi prophecy warns that nothing should be brought back from the Moon --- obviously anticipating the Apollo 11 mission that returned with samples of lunar basalt. The Hopi warned that it would disturb the balance of natural and universal laws and forces, resulting in earthquakes, severe changes in weather patterns, and social unrest. All these things are happening today.

In 1948, the Hopi spiritualist leaders met in Shungopavi and chose four representatives to approach the United Nations. Because of their prophetic knowledge, the Hopi leaders felt it was time to go east to the edge of Turtle Island, where a "House of Mica [glass] would stand at this time, where Great Leaders from many lands would be gathered to help any people who are in trouble". They were to go there when the lands of the Hopi and other Indian brothers were about to be taken away from them and their way of life was in danger of being completely destroyed by evil ones among the white men and by some other Indian brothers who were influenced by the white race. This is a clear and present danger, because the infernal meddling of Christians, the betrayal of treaties by the federal government, the sale of tribal lands by Indians, and the ecological disasters caused by coal and uranium mining, are destroying the Hopi land and people, and all native Americans.

According to prophecy, at least one, two, or three leaders or nations would hear and understand the Hopi warnings, for they too should know the ancient instructions. Upon hearing the message of the Hopi, they were to act immediately to correct many wrongs being done to the Red Man. However, the Hopi might find that the doors of the Mica House would be closed to them:

"When Great Leaders in the Mica House refuse to open the door when you stand before it that day, do not be discouraged or turn about on the path you walk, but take courage, determination, and be of great rejoicing in your hearts, for on that day the White Race who are on your land with you have cut themselves from you and thereon lead themselves to the greatest Punishment at the Day of Purification. Men shall be destroyed for their sins and evil ways. The Great Spirit has decreed it and no one can stop it, change it, or add anything to it. It shall be fulfilled!"

In 1959, another delegation of six traditional Hopi elders, led by Dan Katchongva, traveled to the UN building. Their prophecies foretold that if the Hopi’s request to address the House of Mica was refused after knocking (visiting) four times, mankind would surely be destroyed. Thomas Banyaca knocked for the fourth time in 1991, and was permitted to address the General Assembly for a few minutes during the opening ceremonies of the UN’s International Year of Indigenous Peoples December 10, 1992). He was the last speaker, and only a few UN delegates remained to hear him. He said:

"We have made a sacred covenant to follow Maasaw, the Great Spirit’s Life Plan at all times, which includes the responsibility of taking care of this land and life for his divine purpose. Our goals are not to gain political control, monetary wealth, or military power, but rather to pray and to promote the welfare of all living beings and to preserve the world in a natural way." Banyaca then told the Hopi story of the previous worlds which were destroyed because of human greed, and warned that this world, too, is near its end. He said, "This is now a time to weigh the choices for our future. We do have a choice. If you, the nations of this Earth, create another great war, the Hopi believe we humans will burn ourselves to death with ashes. That’s why the spiritual Elders strongly urge that the United Nations fully open the door for Native spiritual leaders as soon as possible... The Native peoples of the world have seen and spoken to you about the destruction of their lives and homelands, the ruination of nature and the desecration of their sacred sites. It is time the United Nations used its rules to investigate these occurrences and stop them now."

Grandfather Banyaca requested that the UN protect the Four Corners area, because it will have a special purpose in the future survival of humankind. He asked that the UN keep its doors open for spiritual leaders of all peoples "to come to speak to you for more than a few minutes". He also invited world leaders to visit the Hopi country and "sit down with our real spiritual leaders in their sacred kivas" and learn their "ancient secrets of survival and balance". The UN has failed to respond.

A 9th century Tibetan prophecy states, "When the iron bird flies, the Dharma [Buddhism] will go east to the land of the Red Man". This prophecy was fulfilled in 1980 when the Dalai Lama visited America and met with Hopi elders in Los Angeles and with leaders of the Iroquois Confederacy in Syracuse, NY. (7)

Between 1975 and 1986, a group of traditionalist elders and English-speaking Hopis cooperated to produce 44 issues of a newsletter called Techqua Ikach (Land & Life), totaling over 200 pages which outlined their prophetic message in great detail. In 1993, Thomas Mails was selected by Dan Evehema (then 100 years old) to represent the authorized prophecies. The resulting book Hotevila was written in complete secrecy to prevent interference from the Hopi Tribal Council. (8)

"One day Hopi children with short hair or bald heads would be the ears and mouth for the elders, and in time become the leaders. So the Hopi Tribal Council was formed... The Bahanas’ government will gradually cease their responsibility in caring for the Native people... Any mistake we make will be our own doing. The Bahana government would not be responsible. Their influence would linger on in making sure we run our government the Bahana way, not by our own... traditional ways... If we link ourselves with a culture not of our own... it will be difficult to regain what we discard in the name of progress. Of course we can continue to practice what we lose, but it will have lost its value. What happens at the end will be the consequences of our carelessness.

"According to prophecy, the Hopi are to be the last target. We are to be conquered, not by the Army and their weapons, but by our own people. By our sons and daughters without us lifting our hands. Their weapon will be what they learned through the education so kindly taught by the Bahana... The Bahanas will pat the back of the conquerors while cheering and applauding. They will be satisfied that they are not required to finish the task which they set out to accomplish. It is our own people who bring this about and the Bahanas, therefore, cannot be blamed. The conquest will be over and all Native People will be finished. This is a sad ending and it is a pity that we must end this way...

"It is said if purification does not come, our Great Creator will take the land back because we do not care for the land and we don’t deserve to be on it. The above subject, to our children, is soundless and has no meaning...

"One day our own children may become our enemies. Schools will destroy the sacred balance of Hopi life. They will interrupt the traditions and people will forget the instructions of Maasaw. This destruction will reach much further than our village. The whole Earth could go off balance.

"As foretold, all of this information must come out into the open at the period when we are about to be overcome by harmful elements and can step no further...

"Just two or three righteous people will be able to fulfill the Creator’s mission. Even one truly righteous would be able to do it...

"Three people were named who were to help the Hopi when we reached the crisis of no return. The Paiute Indian was to help according to his wisdom, but if he is unable the Navajo Indian will help also, according to his wisdom. If their efforts fail then Bahana will come to aid. This is where we are now...

"So it was predicted that one day we would encounter the presence of people with ways different from our own; they will pose as good-hearted. Their words will be charming and they will multiply like ants. We must not be deceived by them, for the vines of their kingdom will spread throughout the land, diluting and dissolving everything that gets in its way. We must be cautious and not covet or adopt any of their ways, for it will forever be a curse upon our nation....

"It is said, among the Bahana the people of the Cross will appear on our land. They will be kind and helpful with good hearts. Beware, for they will be the instruments of Bahana’s kingdom and will seduce you into forsaking the laws of our Great Creator. The wicked of our people will join their flock to clear their sins, but this will be in vain...

"One day a strange people will appear in our midst, people who will create man in his own image. Once given his language and knowledge, our people will become the instrument by which he will try to rule over us and carve the rest of us into his image. Our own people will become his tools, and he will make certain they do a good job.

"But if we remain strong and firmly rooted, we will not be reshaped, whereas others will slump because they are rootless. So when the tests come we must possess the strength to preserve ourselves...

"The Earth is like a spotted fawn, and each spot has a duty to make the body function. Hopiland is the center of the earth’s body. It is the spot of power with the duty to foretell the future by comparing the actions of mankind with the prophecy told them..."

Martin Gawanesha, a traditionalist Hopi elder, emphasizes that most of the events predicted by their prophecies already have happened, and that the Great Purification is imminent:

"Life has become out of balance. When people are so out of balance, some one will hear our voice and our White Brother will answer the call and clean away the evil ones. According to prophecy, when the purification is over only a handful of people will survive in every nation overseas. Then they will come to this continent, which we call heaven. This is where the Creator first lived and that’s what he called it. He sent his own son from Oraibi to Bethlehem in order to be born there. The Hopi already knew that the morning star would rise one day and someone special would be born...

"In our prophecies there are two brothers, one dark-skinned younger brother and the light-skinned elder who we call the White Brother. Together they will decide how the purification will be accomplished.

"The two brothers were with us when we first came to this continent. When their father passed away, the elder brother went out in the direction of the sunrise and the younger brother stayed here. They had agreed the elder brother would go, but would not stay away too long. He would return when people would travel on a road built in the air. At that time we would know that the earth had been corrupted to the point that it must be purified.

"We’ve come to that point now. Everything has been corrupted. Because we are out of balance, we don’t obey the laws... It’s too late now for gradual voluntary corrections...

"As Hopis... we are calling for the purification because it is our obligation. We’re ready, we want it to happen... We’ve already gone over the time limit that was given to us in the prophecy..." (7)

Hopi prophecy also warns that there will be three divisions among the Hopi. The first division was in 1906 between the traditionalists and the modernists. The traditionalists were forced to leave Oraibi and move to Hotevila. The second division took place in the aftermath of a spectacular UFO sighting in August 1970. The third division is occurring now as the Tribal Council has forced the installation of electric power and other modern inconveniences upon the unwilling traditionalist residents of Hotevila.

During the Hopi Hearings of 1955, many elders spoke forth to remind people of the ancient prophecies. One elder said:

"Then the sun won’t be as hot any more, and the summer season will grow shorter and shorter. One day the weather will no longer get warm. You will experience snowfall at the height of planting time. Then you will have to sow wearing gloves and long underwear. To sow, the farmer will have to push aside the snow, dig a hole, and then plant his seeds. It will come to this if you extract those precious things from the earth.

"And all the grasses across the land, which many different animals feed on to raise their young, will not grow as before. In the future the animals will suffer great hardships. Then the grasses will not sprout. There will be no point in having rain; nothing will grow as it used to.

"Gradually your corn plants will produce only tassels and then everything will freeze. And when you replant, only tiny, stunted ears will appear, and then they too will freeze. The third time you sow, the stalks will still be short before the frost strikes. By the fourth time the plants will barely have pierced the earth before freezing. All of these predictions Maasaw made to the Hopi." (8, 9)

The newsletter Techqua Ikach warned, "When the end is near, we will see a halo of mist around the heavenly bodies. Four times it will appear around the sun as a warning that we must reform, telling us that people of all color must unite and arise for survival...

"We were warned the ice will grow again. Should the [Flute] Clans with the controlling powers vanish or stray away from the great laws of the Creator, there will be no way of stopping the ice buildup. So the time will come when we will experience late springs and early frosts, this will be the sign of the returning Ice Age...

"The time will come when from the Earth will arise a mystic fog which will dilute the minds and hearts of all people... A sudden eruption will explode in the midst of their follies, and this will... creep over the earth. Then men will destroy each other savagely...

"According to prophecy, the day will come when people in high places will be hunted and vice versa, the lowly hunters will be hunted. This will get out of control. The hunting will gather strength and spread far and wide...

"The period of this age will close by the gourd of ashes which will glow brighter than the Sun. The earth will turn over four times and mankind will end up in the lowest level of darkness there they will crawl around on all fours forever. Then the spirits of our Ancient Fathers will return to reclaim the land. They will mock the lowly man for he will no longer deserve or be worthy of the land. Only those who are obedient to the guidance of the Great Creator’s laws will survive... the true brother and sister will give a rebirth to the Earth and renew its life."

It is also said elsewhere in Hopi prophecy, that "Turtle Island could turn over two or three times and the oceans join hands and meet the sky". Several passages in the Bible also suggest that the Earth will some day roll over in its orbit (Isaiah 13:13; and 24:1, 19, 20, 23; Matthew 24: 29; Revelation 6:12-14; II Peter 3:10; Amos 8:8, 9). Since 1931, geophysicists have detected nearly 500 shifts of the north magnetic pole, moving northwest.

Thomas Banyaca has said, "If corruption of nature becomes so thick and pollution so thick, we will be in darkness, and if we don’t change things, the animals... they’re going to yell at us. Pretty soon the eagles flying over us will be going to cry at us; when you walk in the woods, the trees, some will cry at you --- because human beings are supposed to take care of them also, through prayer, meditation, and ceremony instead of destroying them with machinery and inventions that you have made..."

According to Thomas Banyaca, in the 1950s the elders also predicted to him the development of genetic engineering, saying that, "You're going to see a time in your lifetime when the human beings are going to find the pattern that makes us. They're going to cut this pattern. They're going to make new animals upon the earth, and they're going to think these things are going to help us. And it's going to seem like they do help us. But maybe the grandchildren and great grandchildren are going to suffer. They will release these things; they will use them. You will see new animals, and even the old animals will come back, animals that people thought had disappeared. They will find them here and there. They'll begin to reappear."

After the Great Deluge several thousand years ago, the survivors split up into four groups, who migrated north, south, east and west. Only one group completed their journey --- to the North Pole and back --- under the guidance of a brilliant "star" in which Maasaw traveled. When he landed, Maasaw drew the petroglyph on Second Mesa, showing a maiden (with the traditional "butterfly" hair arrangement) riding in a wingless, dome-shaped craft. The petroglyph tells of the coming Day of Purification, when the true Hopi will fly to other planets in "flying shields." (Fig. 4)

Figure 4
Second Mesa Petroglyph

Figure 5
Prophecy Rock

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